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cavbow
02-04-11, 20:53
I'm about to book my truck in for a remap next week and was wondering if I should get the DPF removed at the same time but was wondering wot the advantages of it being removed would be

GHE Tuning
03-04-11, 08:20
More gains and never having to pay VW 1000 for a new one T:

PendlePerformance
03-04-11, 10:42
I'm about to book my truck in for a remap next week and was wondering if I should get the DPF removed at the same time but was wondering wot the advantages of it being removed would be

What model do you have? the T5 1.9TDI in this country do not come with DPF fitted, its only the 2.5TDI 131 & 174 from late 2006 onwards that has the dpf systems fitted.

Removing the dpf will allow for better spool up of the turbo so more low down torque will be achieved with a custom live remap, also you will see a good increase in fuel economy as a result of the engine/exhaust not doing the regen.

Other benifits are never any DPF related issues that are common on these if you only do local driving, problems like blocked/collapsed dpf systems, cracked exhaust manifolds, blown turbos, dpf pressure sensors etc etc.

I had a customer from Bradford a month back that had spent close to 3k with dpf related problems and it was only the luck of one of the mechanics that worked in the maindealer that the customer found out about me so he didn't have to put yet another dpf system on the vehicle.

I would 100% recommend if you have a 2.5TDI 131 or 174 having the dpf system removed and also make sure it is live mapped after as a generic remap will not work with a dpf removed setup.

More info - http://www.pendleperformance.com/VWDPFOFF.html

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance - Passion for perfection

cavbow
03-04-11, 13:36
To be honest with you Martin it was you guys I was going to ring to book my Truck in for the work. Mine is a 2.5 130.

PendlePerformance
03-04-11, 19:34
To be honest with you Martin it was you guys I was going to ring to book my Truck in for the work. Mine is a 2.5 130.

If you need anymore info either post here and I'll reply or give us a bell, phone number on website contact page www.pendleperformance.com

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

Pornstarter
07-04-11, 20:31
Removing the dpf will allow for better spool up of the turbo so more low down torque will be achieved with a custom live remap, also you will see a good increase in fuel economy as a result of the engine/exhaust not doing the regen.


This is one of the things that I would love to see verified.

Talked couple of weeks ago to a vw mech and he said the smaller consumption is . Of course it does not use fuel andymore during regen, but even if longer timeline (1000km, 5000km) considered there shoulg be no savings in fuel.

Heck,even VW lists in their charts that the no-dpf versions use 0.2-0.6L MORE than DPF versions!?


So where lies the truth?! Interested to hear.

bobley
07-04-11, 23:19
Any improvement in fuel consumption quoted on the 2007 on models will be down to improved mapping, reduced losses from ancilliaries, optimisation of manifolds/turbo and probably a lot of tyre polishing and frigging the coast down torque figures they use on the climatic chassis dyno. Stuffing a DPF in the exhaust will only increase pumping work on the engine. The amount of power required to push over half a tonne per hour of hot exhaust gas through a fine ceramic block will run into kilowatts. Removing it will add the lost power onto the net crankshaft power output and also change the combustion characteristics as not only airflow will change but the mixing of residual exhaust gas too so its best to get a remap too.

dvdfrost
08-04-11, 10:18
I read this DPF is basically a soot extraction and burning device bolted onto the back of the exhaust.?
On regeneration it pumps in a bit of fuel and sets it on fire to clean it.
Lot of energy and technology wasted on a type of carbon that will NOT hurt the planet!!!:eek:

bobley
08-04-11, 11:26
I read this DPF is basically a soot extraction and burning device bolted onto the back of the exhaust.?
On regeneration it pumps in a bit of fuel and sets it on fire to clean it.
Lot of energy and technology wasted on a type of carbon that will NOT hurt the planet!!!:eek:

The greenhouse effect may be a debatable topic but the long term effects on health from exposure to particulate matter is well proven.

http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/comeap/pdfs/finallongtermeffectsmort2009report.pdf

Its just a question of whether you agree that increasing CO2 emmisions and putting up with (possible) climate change is worth reducing the risk of getting lung cancer.

Rickmeister
08-04-11, 15:00
Running Martins dpf/remap for 50k miles now and absolutely no problems.

brucelowp
18-07-11, 18:23
Hi - I saw you on the VW T5 forum - I have a T4 2.5tdi yr 2000 that is about to fall foul of the London LEZ and needs a DPF fitted. Would a T5 filter work on a T4 and if you keep removing them from 2006 onwards vehicles, is there a possibility of maybe buying one? Any ideas on what all us T4 owners are going to have to do keep our vans in London? Any suggestions welcome.

Rickmeister
18-07-11, 18:45
Bruce, If the answer to your LEZ dpf question is a yes, then I still have the one Martin took off my van. Its done less than 8k miles. PM me if your interested. Its been safely stored and is in very good nick.

brucelowp
19-07-11, 09:21
Thanks Rick - I will get back to you on that when I know more. This LEZ thing is a real nightmare as the new laws approach, very few people seem to know the facts and many of the retrofit companies don't do VW, as the market is for larger lorries. I am all for cutting pollution, but it sounds like a DPF can be a whole world of hassle. It will have to be tested for emissions annually as well. There are going to be a lot of T4's hitting the market at the end of year!

Rickmeister
19-07-11, 13:06
Agreed. The dpf is wired int O2 sensors and other sensors that feed into the ECU. Soulds like a straightforwad cat may be more up your street... anyhow. Let us know...

Brian Considine
19-07-11, 18:01
Sorry to burst your bubbles, but it's not as simple as just bolting on a DPF - whatever modification you carry out/have carried out it needs to be certified by guess what - an approved company (or possibly VOSA now) &, of course they do not come cheap.

I had a 2000 T4 2.5 that ran cleaner than a Euro4 at MOT time & I looked into it, eventually gave up & bought a T5.

One way round it (if you don't carry any load) is to have the van de-rated.

At least Boris got the compliance date put back.

kleky
30-07-11, 09:03
What model do you have? the T5 1.9TDI in this country do not come with DPF fitted, its only the 2.5TDI 131 & 174 from late 2006 onwards that has the dpf systems fitted.

Removing the dpf will allow for better spool up of the turbo so more low down torque will be achieved with a custom live remap, also you will see a good increase in fuel economy as a result of the engine/exhaust not doing the regen.

Other benifits are never any DPF related issues that are common on these if you only do local driving, problems like blocked/collapsed dpf systems, cracked exhaust manifolds, blown turbos, dpf pressure sensors etc etc.

I had a customer from Bradford a month back that had spent close to 3k with dpf related problems and it was only the luck of one of the mechanics that worked in the maindealer that the customer found out about me so he didn't have to put yet another dpf system on the vehicle.

I would 100% recommend if you have a 2.5TDI 131 or 174 having the dpf system removed and also make sure it is live mapped after as a generic remap will not work with a dpf removed setup.

More info - http://www.pendleperformance.com/VWDPFOFF.html

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance - Passion for perfection

Hi Martin, it was me that spoke to you today regarding a DPF removal on a 131 T5. I'll be driving your way either 4/5/8th Aug, but will call to confirm and book....want to change oil before heading down :)

Thanks for your help

Kleky

PendlePerformance
30-07-11, 19:38
Hi Martin, it was me that spoke to you today regarding a DPF removal on a 131 T5. I'll be driving your way either 4/5/8th Aug, but will call to confirm and book....want to change oil before heading down :)

Thanks for your help

Kleky

Kleky,

4th or the 5th would best suit us and early morning as in 9:30 as well if possible.

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

Vick N
30-07-11, 20:32
Kleky,

4th or the 5th would best suit us and early morning as in 9:30 as well if possible.

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance


Hi Martin,

Do you remap the van for more power also when the DPF is removed or just code the DPF out?

My van is remapped and I am seriously considering having this done after a chat with Dazboi on here but concerned I will loose my remap?

Many thanks

Vick :)

Kingkong
31-07-11, 08:18
hello all, i've got a 2010 140 bhp kombi, i tow a caravan now and again and use it for work. my work involves alot of shortish journeys, the dpf regenerates quite alot. i could do with more grunt for towing etc so am thinking of remap and dpf removal. will this effect warranty and will there be problems in future mot's? cheers.

PendlePerformance
31-07-11, 15:01
Hi Martin,

Do you remap the van for more power also when the DPF is removed or just code the DPF out?

My van is remapped and I am seriously considering having this done after a chat with Dazboi on here but concerned I will loose my remap?

Many thanks

Vick :)

Yes we need to totally re tune these vehicles with the DPF removed as removing the dpf system reduces all the back pressure in the exhaust system and the turbo spools up so much faster and also over spikes if not tuned. (Over Spikes = Over Spins)

So we do totally re tune as well as removing the dpf system, the 130bhp versions we make around 180bhp and 430-440Nm of torque.

The power comes in much sooner and smoother across the full rev range.

And also it will be totally custom tuned on the rolling road

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

Ivo
01-08-11, 00:35
Martin, I sent you a PM with a few questions regarding the DPF delete. Also my virus software says your site has a virus. HTML: Iframe-inf virus.

kleky
01-08-11, 09:45
Kleky,

4th or the 5th would best suit us and early morning as in 9:30 as well if possible.

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

Martin, sorry I can no longer manage this week. If you could book me in for Monday 8th Aug that would be great. I'm coming from St Andrews so it will take me about 5 hours to get to you - would arriving at 12:00 be ok? I'll have to wait/go for a wander as I'm heading further south afterwards.

Much appreciated

Ian

PendlePerformance
01-08-11, 14:06
Martin, sorry I can no longer manage this week. If you could book me in for Monday 8th Aug that would be great. I'm coming from St Andrews so it will take me about 5 hours to get to you - would arriving at 12:00 be ok? I'll have to wait/go for a wander as I'm heading further south afterwards.

Much appreciated

Ian

Ian,

Monday the 8th could you make it 13:30 as we have a T4 for custom live tuning in the morning. Throw us a text message over to confirm with your vehicle details and I'll stick you in the diary.

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance - 07970 506203

cavbow
02-08-11, 10:00
Well thanks to Martin I'm now booked in for this Friday for DPF Deletion and remap and I can't wait

k2evo
03-08-11, 21:37
mines booked in on saturday for exactly the same thing A:A:A: cant wait T:

cavbow
03-08-11, 21:41
Me either it will be a Totally different van, I know when I had my Zafira Gsi remapped it made a bucket load of difference but saying that it was 240bhp

k2evo
03-08-11, 21:43
bought mine a couple of months ago and it already has a remap T:drives very well but had to have the DPF removal as wellI:I:I: so not as big a gain for me :(

thehardwaremonkey
10-12-11, 15:15
Me either it will be a Totally different van, I know when I had my Zafira Gsi remapped it made a bucket load of difference but saying that it was 240bhp

How is your van after your dpf delete and remap?
After my engine blew up and while the new engine was replaced for a new Vw one, a couple of blocks in the dpf fell out and were blocking the exhaust. Stupidly, I thought it would last a while but now it's stuck in limp mode with the flashing coil light and emissions workshop light on. 245 miles to drive to Martin at Pendle in limp mode (30mph up hills on the motorway!). Luckily he managed to squeeze me in today, I phoned last night! I'm sat in the library right now while he works his magic..
fingers crossed it won't be 50mph home!!!!
So, I was just curious about your thoughts.

cavbow
10-12-11, 16:13
How is your van after your dpf delete and remap?
After my engine blew up and while the new engine was replaced for a new Vw one, a couple of blocks in the dpf fell out and were blocking the exhaust. Stupidly, I thought it would last a while but now it's stuck in limp mode with the flashing coil light and emissions workshop light on. 245 miles to drive to Martin at Pendle in limp mode (30mph up hills on the motorway!). Luckily he managed to squeeze me in today, I phoned last night! I'm sat in the library right now while he works his magic..
fingers crossed it won't be 50mph home!!!!
So, I was just curious about your thoughts.


All I can say is I wish I had done it earlier as its now a different van to drive with 182bhp and 433nm so it pulls like a train now, if I ever decide to sell and buy a Caddy I'd deffo see Martin again

HWF
10-12-11, 17:28
I had mine done by Martin at Pendle, both remap and dpf. The difference is immense and worth every penny. Fuel economy better at 50-60 by about 20%. And it flies when you want it to T:

mrmr110
11-12-11, 10:43
If the DPF is removed, what about the MOT test? Will it pass ok without it??:confused:

cavbow
11-12-11, 12:24
Yep mine past a couple of weeks ago

mrmr110
11-12-11, 13:20
Oooooooooo, interesting.............. I think I might be paying Martin from Pendle a visit next year when the new Sportline arrivesT:

What do roughly fink it will cost???? for remap and DPF binned???? 1k:*

cavbow
11-12-11, 13:37
Not sure about the 2.0 engined T5's you'd have to give Martin a ring and have a chat with him

Twines
11-12-11, 13:39
If you remove the DPF will it still past the MOT? First diesel engine I've run and never really studied them before so a whole new machine to me and I'm guessing its not as simple as a de cat bolt on bolt off for the MOT.

matt_tdv6
11-12-11, 14:21
Martin recently did a live tune & DPF delete on my caddy sportline...I bought a 2.5" DPF delete pipe and Martin talked me out of fitting it as the MOT check will only be visual on the DPF system

Martin remove's the guts from the DPF so from the underneath it all looks OEM T:

My T5 & Caddy drive perfect since Martin worked his magic...

Twines
11-12-11, 16:59
Awesome so no emmission check?

Twines
11-12-11, 17:06
Ps how much do you think you could push 1.9tdi to its currently at 104, i would love it to be 140 or more . I know a remap with the dpf can produce up to 130bhp, i want to push the van to the max

cavbow
11-12-11, 17:07
Awesome so no emmission check?

Yes had emission check and got the print out too

Rickmeister
11-12-11, 22:47
All clear on the mot here as well...

Slumpy Monster
12-12-11, 23:43
We can also offer dpf removal. So give us a shout if your this side of the hills!!:D

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 10:31
Please could I advice anyone thinking of having a DPF Delete done on there VAG vehicles to fully check who is doing it as there are many in the UK offering this server now due to a "Patch Software" called "ECUSafe" http://www.ecusafe.com

All these tuning companies do is run the original file they download from you engine control unit through this ECUSafe patch software and the software generically patches the original software.

What it does is kills around 50% of ALL DTC's (YES AND I MEAN MANY OTHER DTCS NOT RELATED TO DPF AS WELL) then it just sets the DPF Matrix to "0" and finally Tunes a "LIMP MODE MAP"

So the ECU itself still is running the DPF system, but not engine management lights will come on due to them being totally deleted and also when the ecu does put it into limp mode it will run as normal as the limp mode map was tuned.

There is only 1 correct way to do a dpf delete and this is to totally turn the "DPF Function" off within the software and this silly patch software "ECUSafe" cannot do that as the "DPF Function" is different on all ecus.

Another software they also use is one called "Swiftec" works that same if not worse that "ECUSafe"

Honestly the only correct way to do this is with using a hex editor and also knowledge of the complete DPF Matrix System

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

T30GMS
13-12-11, 12:00
Sounds like a pop at the guy above offering this service, not very professional I:

johneames
13-12-11, 12:08
What is the likelyhood of the MOT being revised in the future to check DPF function? :*

All being well, we are planning on buying a LWB 140ps T5GP to do a full pop-top camper conversion on in the new year and although I wont be interested in full on remapping for more horses, I am interested in the idea of the motor breathing easier for better response and pick up.

I'm quite rightly concerned however, that it would be a very costly mistake and maybe an irreversible(?) modification if all of a sudden the van no longer passed the MOT due to DPF deletion.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts, particularly Martin's and anyone who knows about MOT's and their future modifications. Afterall, emissions never used to be checked did they.....

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 12:47
Sounds like a pop at the guy above offering this service, not very professional I:

Not a pop at anyone in particular but more an information to genuine people what to watch out for.

If you would take time to read my posts I try and be as clear as possible to everyone. I'm a person who calls a Spade a Spade.

There are a good hand full of tuners on this forum that do a excellent Job, but also there is many who haven't a single clue what they are doing, its clear to see these past few years with so many genuine T4 members having problems after remaps.

So you think giving forum members technical information that can guide them isn't professional?

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 12:53
What is the likelyhood of the MOT being revised in the future to check DPF function? :*

All being well, we are planning on buying a LWB 140ps T5GP to do a full pop-top camper conversion on in the new year and although I wont be interested in full on remapping for more horses, I am interested in the idea of the motor breathing easier for better response and pick up.

I'm quite rightly concerned however, that it would be a very costly mistake and maybe an irreversible(?) modification if all of a sudden the van no longer passed the MOT due to DPF deletion.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts, particularly Martin's and anyone who knows about MOT's and their future modifications. Afterall, emissions never used to be checked did they.....

MOT laws can and do change with changes coming in early next year which will do a visual check of the exhaust systems to make sure no after market de cats / de dpf's are fitted.

Knowing what MOT laws are going to be in years to come nobody can say this. Also it isn't irreversible as when I carry out the DPF delete on these vehicles I just simple switch the DPF Function off so it would be a case of turning it back on and fitting a DPF Exhaust.

Note majority of DPF delete we do here the DPF Exhaust is past its life anyway and a new system needs fitting.

Every vehicle we carry out DPF Delete on will pass all MOT's

Regards
Martin

johneames
13-12-11, 13:04
Thanks for that response Martin. Would you charge again to reinstate the DPF function in the ECU if the MOT laws were changed meaning the MOT would not be passable? I presume so, so any idea what sort of price fitting a new DPF and making good its function would be?

I take it that the ECU DPF delete can be done without a power remap? Just weighing up the options.

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 13:21
Thanks for that response Martin. Would you charge again to reinstate the DPF function in the ECU if the MOT laws were changed meaning the MOT would not be passable? I presume so, so any idea what sort of price fitting a new DPF and making good its function would be?

I take it that the ECU DPF delete can be done without a power remap? Just weighing up the options.

We would charge our hourly rate which is 40, alos it'd take 1-2 hours MAX

When you remove the DPF Systems from these what you also do is remove a lot of back pressure so its important to re tune the turbo control map as the turbo will spooler faster and over spin.

regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

Soulstyledevon
13-12-11, 13:22
Why oh why are people removing their DPFs in the first place...???
I've had no problem with mine so far.

The guys that have had problems need to understand its part of the mechanical function of the van. Yes they can go t1ts up and cost to repair, but thats part of owning these vans. They are not bullet proof and will need to be maintained.
Its the same arguement with turkeys changing from DMF to single mass flywheel just because its might save them some cash in the future.
It rarely does save you any money and almost always has some kind of complication...!!!

Leave the flippin things how VW intended, they have spent enough money on R&D.

BTW, this isnt a pop at remaps. I think mild mannered remaps can be a good thing done by the right person:ILU:

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 13:40
Why oh why are people removing their DPFs in the first place...???
I've had no problem with mine so far.

The guys that have had problems need to understand its part of the mechanical function of the van. Yes they can go t1ts up and cost to repair, but thats part of owning these vans. They are not bullet proof and will need to be maintained.
Its the same arguement with turkeys changing from DMF to single mass flywheel just because its might save them some cash in the future.
It rarely does save you any money and almost always has some kind of complication...!!!

Leave the flippin things how VW intended, they have spent enough money on R&D.

BTW, this isnt a pop at remaps. I think mild mannered remaps can be a good thing done by the right person:ILU:

Mate you are wrong, they do cause so many problems to these vehicles, main dealers themselves also admit this, only this week I did 3 x VW Crafters for the Main Dealers.

Its all down to really how much you drive the vehicle, say you do short distance and no motorway majority of the time your DPF will get blocked and this then puts a lot of strain on the engine, first the exhaust gasses have no where to escape so you can end up with cracked exhaust manifolds, turbos blowing, manifold gaskets leaking etc etc, then also you get super high exhaust gas temps that lead to total engine fail. We had a customer last week from Wales that his engine dropped a Valve and totalled the engine and yes his DPF was totally blocked.

Yes DPF systems can work perfectly for the people who drive them how they need to be driven but who can do this all the time?

Regards
Martin

Slumpy Monster
13-12-11, 13:46
Sounds like a pop at the guy above offering this service, not very professional I:

I don't think he was having a pop at me!

We all know that tuning a vw engine is not rocket science. Also we have done many many dpf removals and had no problems. There is also many different types of software out there and ecusafe is one way of doing things so most good tuners will have more than one way of dealing with dpf removal.

He is right there are lots of dodgy tuners and there are also a lot of good ones. I have great pedigree (not the dog food!) so I don't have a problem with competition. I'm ex VAG, Aston Martin, Daimler Chrysler technicain. Raced Karts and cars since I was 12. I just love engines, cars, vans anything that burns fossil fuel!!!!J:J:
http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/picture.php?albumid=3377&pictureid=20218
We have never lost an ecu or had any kind of mechanical failure, what can I say?

The best bit is I love my VDubs and if anyone wants to add me on Facebook your welcome just search John Slumbers and add me.

These are my business core values:

Transparency. If I don't know something I will tell you I don't know!
Be fair. We will give you the best quality for the best price if we can't get something right then we give you a refund.
Relationship. Friendly service and getting to know people is important to us.

Just have a look at our feedback on our multi brand site www.kudosremapping.com

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PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 14:09
There is also many different types of software out there and ecusafe is one way of doing things so most good tuners will have more than one way of dealing with dpf removal.

Yep there is many Patch Software out there but trust me when I say this they all work wrong on these VAG EDC16 / EDC17

Honestly and I'm really not trying to sound better than anyone but there is only 1 correct way at doing this and its so much easier that these stupid patch software.

You see these software change like 80-120bits depending on what SW version its trying to patch, (majority of these bits are none related to DPF as to find the correct dtc table for every SW version out there would be 100% impossible for these patch software so it just KILLS 50% of all DTC's)

So the only true why of turning DPF off is 1 Single 8bit value which totally turns all the DPF Function cleanly Off

Yes these software patches out there (ECUSafe, Switec etc etc) do seem to work on DPF delete but its only because they kill like 50% of all DTC's so the ecu is trying to throw a fault code but it cannot do as the DTC is set to "0" and then the ECU itself runs on limp mode or runs of regen maps.

We have talked and I did honestly advice you to forget these cheap software and buy yourself WinOLS trust me a month down the road you will never look back as WinOLS gives you the freedom you need to tune.

Regards
Martin

Slumpy Monster
13-12-11, 14:23
Yep there is many Patch Software out there but trust me when I say this they all work wrong on these VAG EDC16 / EDC17

Honestly and I'm really not trying to sound better than anyone but there is only 1 correct way at doing this and its so much easier that these stupid patch software.

You see these software change like 80-120bits depending on what SW version its trying to patch, (majority of these bits are none related to DPF as to find the correct dtc table for every SW version out there would be 100% impossible for these patch software so it just KILLS 50% of all DTC's)

So the only true why of turning DPF off is 1 Single 8bit value which totally turns all the DPF Function cleanly Off

Yes these software patches out there (ECUSafe, Switec etc etc) do seem to work on DPF delete but its only because they kill like 50% of all DTC's so the ecu is trying to throw a fault code but it cannot do as the DTC is set to "0" and then the ECU itself runs on limp mode or runs of regen maps.

We have talked and I did honestly advice you to forget these cheap software and buy yourself WinOLS trust me a month down the road you will never look back as WinOLS gives you the freedom you need to tune.

Regards
Martin

We don't patch it Martin lol!
I took your advice and now have WinOLS just got to study it in detail now is a hard work to use at first but I will get there.
Swiftec is not cheap software, winOLS cost me less and you get 2 liscences lol!

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 14:35
We don't patch it Martin lol!

So you know the single 8bit value for DPF function location on these VAG???

I took your advice and now have WinOLS just got to study it in detail now is a hard work to use at first but I will get there.
Swiftec is not cheap software, winOLS cost me less and you get 2 liscences lol!

Thing is with WinOLS for 2 liscence it is quite cheap at €1050euro but you do not get any checksum in with that, if you had to go buy all the checksums and also damos a2l import it would cost you 10xtimes that of Swiftec.

Honestly within a few months you will not look back as winols is so much more a professional tool other that Swiftec which really is just for beginners in the file tuning world.

The manual for WinOLS will give you a good heads up and also if you are stuck with anything throw us a message over and I'll point you in the right direction.

Regards
Martin

Slumpy Monster
13-12-11, 14:57
So you know the single 8bit value for DPF function location on these VAG???

The manual for WinOLS will give you a good heads up and also if you are stuck with anything throw us a message over and I'll point you in the right direction.



Yes and cheers for the help I that's very kind of you! Not many people offer any help these days just quick to tell you what your doing wrong.:D

PendlePerformance
13-12-11, 15:30
Yes and cheers for the help I that's very kind of you! Not many people offer any help these days just quick to tell you what your doing wrong.:D

One of the best advice I can give is to truly learn the art of logging with vcds (vag-com) and then maps within WinOLS will come much clearer to you..

You see WinOLS shows you the FULL Raw File to work with over others that give silly map packs.

Also correctly tuning these VW Transporter5 Bosch EDC16 isn't easy at all, the control systems are very advanced.

Yes jumping on the duration map and sticking 20% across it all will give power but honestly this isn't tuned correctly.

You need to work with the Torque Model and then scale maps accordingly if needed not forgetting the map limtiers

I've seen so many times people sticking say 20-30% on a map but then missing the map limiter so no matter if they stick 1000% on this map it will never get there as there is a limiter stopping it.

There are many ways to get extra power from these but really to do it correctly is far from easy

Regards
Martin

Soulstyledevon
13-12-11, 16:17
Mate you are wrong, they do cause so many problems to these vehicles, main dealers themselves also admit this, only this week I did 3 x VW Crafters for the Main Dealers.

Its all down to really how much you drive the vehicle, say you do short distance and no motorway majority of the time your DPF will get blocked and this then puts a lot of strain on the engine, first the exhaust gasses have no where to escape so you can end up with cracked exhaust manifolds, turbos blowing, manifold gaskets leaking etc etc, then also you get super high exhaust gas temps that lead to total engine fail. We had a customer last week from Wales that his engine dropped a Valve and totalled the engine and yes his DPF was totally blocked.

Yes DPF systems can work perfectly for the people who drive them how they need to be driven but who can do this all the time?

Regards
Martin

I would love to know out of all the vehicles VW has sold with a DPF. The percentage of vehicles with problems caused by said unit...???
:confused:
The thing with this forum is, 90% of the time you only hear about the bad stuff and when something goes wrong:*
Personally need far more convincing before I would ever dream of removing a DPF on a 25k plus van
:ILU:

matt_tdv6
14-12-11, 03:14
Ive removed the DPF on my T5 & Caddy both at very low mileages...DPF Failure prevention is cheaper than the cure I:

Ive also spoke to my local TPS who say they are having a major problem with VW Crafter turbo's failing due to the DPF systems...They should know as they are supplying the new parts

Engines are choked with DPF's,EGR's & Longlife oil changes in my opinion...I have done 35,000Miles in 18months with Martin's tune/DPF removal & Rickmeister on this forum has done a similar mileage aswell with no issues

My van pulls a trailer for a living & with the DPF system intact id of expected a failure of some kind by now i.e manifold cracking or turbo failure...

Rickmeister
14-12-11, 07:13
I would echo what Matt say's above. My van was ( I think), Martins first. He had it for a week and suffered me harassing him on the phone I: which I know didnt help...

I did it at about 5k miles, its on almost 70k faultless miles now. It is as much getting the potentially troublesome system off the van as the absolute power gains and up to now, its going very very well.

I wouldnt mind though putting it on his dyno just for curiosities sake... I think the game must have moved on since my van was done and would be interested to see how it compares...

Rick

t4mark
26-09-12, 19:56
What model do you have? the T5 1.9TDI in this country do not come with DPF fitted, its only the 2.5TDI 131 & 174 from late 2006 onwards that has the dpf systems fitted.

Removing the dpf will allow for better spool up of the turbo so more low down torque will be achieved with a custom live remap, also you will see a good increase in fuel economy as a result of the engine/exhaust not doing the regen.

Other benifits are never any DPF related issues that are common on these if you only do local driving, problems like blocked/collapsed dpf systems, cracked exhaust manifolds, blown turbos, dpf pressure sensors etc etc.

I had a customer from Bradford a month back that had spent close to 3k with dpf related problems and it was only the luck of one of the mechanics that worked in the maindealer that the customer found out about me so he didn't have to put yet another dpf system on the vehicle.

I would 100% recommend if you have a 2.5TDI 131 or 174 having the dpf system removed and also make sure it is live mapped after as a generic remap will not work with a dpf removed setup.

More info - http://www.pendleperformance.com/VWDPFOFF.html

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance - Passion for perfection


Hi Martin
Any ideas what the yellow engine lights is on my 2008 1.9 t5 it was mapped Celtic about 4 weeks ago should I call them ?

PendlePerformance
27-09-12, 09:45
Hi Martin
Any ideas what the yellow engine lights is on my 2008 1.9 t5 it was mapped Celtic about 4 weeks ago should I call them ?

Could be one of many many things, doing a fault code read will put you more in the picture, if you read the code and let me know what it is I will tell you what your problem is.

Also might be a good idea to call the tuning company that worked on the vehicle.

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

stevemet
30-09-12, 17:05
I would love to know out of all the vehicles VW has sold with a DPF. The percentage of vehicles with problems caused by said unit...???
:confused:
The thing with this forum is, 90% of the time you only hear about the bad stuff and when something goes wrong:*
Personally need far more convincing before I would ever dream of removing a DPF on a 25k plus van
:ILU:

I am not a mechanic BUT - there is one thing that governs these additions to the exhaust fumes and that is legislation.
For example : did VW stop making the 2.5 TDI engine because of newly expected goverment emision controls ? - Yes.
And 5 mins later it was changed.....
My point is DPF and Cat's are an adition to a vehicle designed to impede it's performance. Because performance causes
the need to get rid of burnt fuel quickly. Burnt fuel is not desirable to the enviroment.

If the enviroment was that important than we would stop using fossile fuel, would we not. ?

(Just my five pence worth).
Steve.

blackvanman!
30-09-12, 17:22
If we stopped using fossil fuel the planet would grind to a halt. So until a reasonable alternative is found it's sensible to try and reduce its impact on the environment with cats, dpf's and Egr's. the problem is that once the vehicle manufacturers have made a vehicle that meets the emissions standards its the end user and not them that pay the cost of new dpf's, blown turbos and manifolds and decreased fuel economy.

Normalbloke
30-09-12, 22:13
I am not a mechanic BUT - there is one thing that governs these additions to the exhaust fumes and that is legislation.
For example : did VW stop making the 2.5 TDI engine because of newly expected goverment emision controls ? - Yes.
And 5 mins later it was changed.....
My point is DPF and Cat's are an adition to a vehicle designed to impede it's performance. Because performance causes
the need to get rid of burnt fuel quickly. Burnt fuel is not desirable to the enviroment.

If the enviroment was that important than we would stop using fossile fuel, would we not. ?

(Just my five pence worth).
Steve.
What are you talking about? Have you been drinking???

gabbo
30-09-12, 23:02
Well I'm having my done on the bus a week on Tuesday & can't wait :)

ticker
02-10-12, 13:49
any idea on cost for a 2007 t5 174 bhp ??,dpf removal and remap ,cheers.

PendlePerformance
02-10-12, 14:00
any idea on cost for a 2007 t5 174 bhp ??,dpf removal and remap ,cheers.

We charge 545 to paid forum subscribers.

Regards
Martin

SpudsT5
17-10-12, 21:53
what sort of power gains should you see from an 08 T5 2.5 174 bhp ??

Vandermover
29-10-12, 00:41
What model do you have? the T5 1.9TDI in this country do not come with DPF fitted, its only the 2.5TDI 131 & 174 from late 2006 onwards that has the dpf systems fitted.

Removing the dpf will allow for better spool up of the turbo so more low down torque will be achieved with a custom live remap, also you will see a good increase in fuel economy as a result of the engine/exhaust not doing the regen.

Other benifits are never any DPF related issues that are common on these if you only do local driving, problems like blocked/collapsed dpf systems, cracked exhaust manifolds, blown turbos, dpf pressure sensors etc etc.

I had a customer from Bradford a month back that had spent close to 3k with dpf related problems and it was only the luck of one of the mechanics that worked in the maindealer that the customer found out about me so he didn't have to put yet another dpf system on the vehicle.

I would 100% recommend if you have a 2.5TDI 131 or 174 having the dpf system removed and also make sure it is live mapped after as a generic remap will not work with a dpf removed setup.

More info - http://www.pendleperformance.com/VWDPFOFF.html

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance - Passion for perfection
Hi, Just wondering if removing the DPF renders the vehicle LEZ non-compliant? Wouldn't the vehicle fail MOT emissions/smoke specifications without the DPF?

PendlePerformance
29-10-12, 09:57
Hi, Just wondering if removing the DPF renders the vehicle LEZ non-compliant? Wouldn't the vehicle fail MOT emissions/smoke specifications without the DPF?

I wouldn't be in business if vehicles I worked on didn't pass the UK annual MOT test... All vehicles tuned by PendlePerformance and worked on by PendlePerformance pass all mot tests and run as normal with correct tuning...

Regards
Martin
PendlePerformance

Lukemac
29-10-12, 13:33
Hi Martin

I wanna get the dpf delete/remap also. There are two problems.
Do you have any agents in Ireland?
My van is 4motion so can you live tune it on the dyno Ok?
Thanks in advance. Luke

PendlePerformance
29-10-12, 13:45
Hi Martin

I wanna get the dpf delete/remap also. There are two problems.
Do you have any agents in Ireland?
My van is 4motion so can you live tune it on the dyno Ok?
Thanks in advance. Luke

No agents in Ireland.. Yes we can custom tune this 4motion on our Dyno..

We are seeking an established business in Ireland to join our dedicated team of tuners..

Regards
Martin

Lukemac
29-10-12, 13:48
Ok thanks Martin.
That's a bummer. A bit far for a road trip. Thanks.

PendlePerformance
29-10-12, 14:26
Ok thanks Martin.
That's a bummer. A bit far for a road trip. Thanks.

Be a good drive back... ;-)

We have had a few customers now come over from Ireland...

Regards
Martin

highways
29-10-12, 15:14
hi martin, i have a T5, 2 litre, 180ps, LWB, Reg Dec 2011 - does this have a DPF that needs deleting along with a re-map?
Ive had conflicting reports re - i have or have not got a DPF on this vehicle - so im confused, cheers

Lukemac
29-10-12, 16:31
Be a good drive back... ;-)

We have had a few customers now come over from Ireland...

Regards
Martin


Haha. Yeah true. I looked on Google maps. Not that far from holyhead. I'll see maybe I'll come over at some stage. I have a map from Celtic which is nice. I can put it on and off via a thing I plug in to obd port. I had to write my original map to it and then email it over. They then sent me a remapped version. Seems good and I have no trouble with the dpf yet. I give it a good blast every now and then on the motorway. I'd still prefer it gone and a dyno map. T: I'd imagine it would be better performance, economically and grin factor. Hopefully my dpf dies and I'll just have to come over. :ILU: Luke

PendlePerformance
29-10-12, 17:12
hi martin, i have a T5, 2 litre, 180ps, LWB, Reg Dec 2011 - does this have a DPF that needs deleting along with a re-map?
Ive had conflicting reports re - i have or have not got a DPF on this vehicle - so im confused, cheers

Yes you have a DPF system in this vehicle, and we can offer a DPF Delete and custom tune on these.

Regards
Martin

atk13
08-11-12, 12:15
Hi Martyn,

Would a 2009 1.9 102/4 BHP T5 Caravelle startline have DPF? I have the orange engine warning light on my dash at minute. Just want to check before I take it into VW. Depending on price I may be in touch.

Andy

Piggy78
26-11-12, 13:31
This is really something I want on my van as I do a lot of short trips (and martin has tempted me to come all the way up to him to have it done!)
Are there any long term problems (forgetting any changes in EU/government changes of mind) in having the DPF removal?EGR removal and decat??

My local VWspecialist (who used to work for VW for 15/20 years) will not do the work nor the remap even though they work very closely with a good remapping company :confused::confused:

littlebluevw
27-12-12, 20:02
I have a question. My 2007 2.5 is currently at VW having the turbo and manifold replaced, due to cracks, (Vw warranty). My bus does do a lot of short journeys, could this be because my DPF is blocked, no warning lights on dash, what should I do when I get it back, should i drive it in S when i get it back and should I go down the route of remap and remove.

Advice is welcomed.

What sort of costs am I looking at?

Sonic3d
27-12-12, 22:31
Is it possible to write the EGR out of the map on a 180 BiTdi??? Tried to call you about a week ago but no luck...

Brian Considine
28-12-12, 09:01
I have a question. My 2007 2.5 is currently at VW having the turbo and manifold replaced, due to cracks, (Vw warranty). My bus does do a lot of short journeys, could this be because my DPF is blocked, no warning lights on dash, what should I do when I get it back, should i drive it in S when i get it back and should I go down the route of remap and remove.

Advice is welcomed.

What sort of costs am I looking at?

One a week warm it up & give it a blast on the M40 for a junction or two.

littlebluevw
28-12-12, 12:54
One a week warm it up & give it a blast on the M40 for a junction or two.

I have also found out you can buy DPF cleaning addatives i.e. Wynn's Diesel Particulate Filter Cleaner is a chemical treatment for diesel engines that reduce soot ... should i be dropping one of these in aswell? I think eventually I will go down the route of remove/delete and remap but just not yet...just need to find someone reliable near warwick..T:

splitty55
13-01-14, 20:23
Doesn't removing the DPF cause issues with MOT's as in you'll get the big fail stamp?

bluezie
13-01-14, 20:36
Doesn't removing the DPF cause issues with MOT's as in you'll get the big fail stamp?

If the DPF is replaced with a pipe, it will fail.
If the innards are removed from the DPF can, and all the sensors are intact but deleted in the mapping it will pass as long as it passes the smoke test. The DPF test is only a visual test to see if it's fitted.

splitty55
13-01-14, 22:05
Ah I see. Good to know. How can you ensure you don't fail the smoke/emissions test?

JohnyT5
13-01-14, 22:13
I was told its best to take the van on a run down the motorway keeping the revs up to clear the exhaust out.

VAGNOSTICS_LTD
13-01-14, 22:13
Ah I see. Good to know. How can you ensure you don't fail the smoke/emissions test?

Our T5 Sportline has passed its MOT everytime on emissions/smoke test since the DPF delete (4 x MOT's)...If these are tuned correctly you wont have a problem T:

I was told its best to take the van on a run down the motorway keeping the revs up to clear the exhaust out.

Vehicle Speed between 30-60 km/h (18-37 MPH)
Engine Speed between 1500-2500 RPM (4th or 5th Gear, Automatic Transmission in Tiptronic)
Duration approx. 15-20 Minutes
Exhaust Gas Temperature before Turbo Charger above 700 C

Brian Considine
13-01-14, 22:56
I was told its best to take the van on a run down the motorway keeping the revs up to clear the exhaust out.

It will of course help if you have some decent fuel in it & not the supermarket stuff.

Richc33
10-03-14, 19:04
I would def get the dpf removed and remap!!! I have just been told that my 59 reg crafter 2.5 with a full vw service history and 71000 miles on the clock needs a complete engine at a cost of 10'000! It has melted the piston on cyclinder one and the valve has a hole in! Been offered 5% of parts that's it what a joke they are!!!! I was told failure was due to van keep regenerating and it heats the engine to much. Mechanic says he has replaced lots of them with even less miles on than mine. Says they has tired to update ecu on this a few times. Looks like I will have to try a engine rebuild and dpf is coming straight out. Very disappointed that they won't do more but out of warranty!!!!!!

thehardwaremonkey
10-03-14, 19:38
Sounds like my 2.5 before I got it replaced and visited martin.
10k is way too much, that can't be correct, my engine was 5k, some of the guys on here have said the price has increased but I'm sure it was 8k still... Got a lad near camberley if you want his number for a price, he's ex vw commercial.
http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/picture.php?albumid=7702&pictureid=68282

shaddow blue sportline
10-03-14, 20:18
Well i can add to this thread and say that having a day off and driving up to Martin in my 2.5 DFP equipped T5 wasn't half as good as driving back after having the delete and tune done,best single thing you can do to it T: and has passed the MOT since the rule change no problem too,in fact they even commentated on how clean it was on the smoke test :D

edwyn
10-03-14, 20:23
I would agree dpf delete done 50k ago mot passed every time driving carefully in my 130 kombi can get 40mpg on the vw trip computer.

Was done by celtic tuning would reccomend this to be the first thing to do