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Jurasik
16-05-08, 15:12
Hi all.
I have been in contact with the DVLA regarding my T4 & it saying Diesel Car as taxation class on th V5. I have finally got a reply (of sorts) from them. It reads:

All vehicle licensing and registration in the UK is governed by the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (as amended) (VERA).
Before vehicles are first registered in the UK, DVLA is required to ensure that a vehicle has evidence of type approval, or is exempt from type approval. This information may be in the form of National Type Approval, European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval, or confirmation that a vehicle meets certain domestic or European legislative requirements. Type approval ensures that vehicles, their systems and components, meet the appropriate environmental and safety standards for the appropriate vehicle category. The vehicle manufacturer applies to the Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA) for the type approval category relevant to the design style of their vehicle. This information is submitted with the application to first licence and register the vehicle.
In this particular instance the manufacturer applied, and attained, type approval in the appropriate category for the vehicles engine size, construction, weight and speed, in this case M1, which is described in the type approval regulations as a light passenger vehicle (i.e. a vehicle with at least 4 wheels used for the carriage of passengers and compromising no more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat, having a mass not exceeding 3.5 tonnes). As this vehicle was presented for registration on the basis of having been type approved in the M1 category, with a CO2 emissions figure specified in terms of grams per kilometre, it falls to be licensed in the Graduated VED scheme paying duty according to it's CO2 figure and the type of fuel used.
DVLA is required to register a vehicle based on the evidence presented at first registration and is unable by law to change the type approval category once the vehicle has been correctly registered.

So basically, I am F:cd!!. £300 instead of £185 next year. :mad:hsy:hsy: B:cd government.
Edited for date:
Also the new taxation only really applies for T4's registered after March 1st 2001, of which mine is :(

BANANAVAN
16-05-08, 16:16
Also the new taxation only really applies for T4's registered after Jan 1st 2001, of which mine is :(

thought it was 1st March 2001:confused:

Jurasik
16-05-08, 16:51
Yeah it is, My mistake. I am annoyed & depressed at the cost of road tax, fuel tax tax.
Did I mention tax?
:blg:bhd

BANANAVAN
16-05-08, 17:17
Yeah it is, My mistake. I am annoyed & depressed at the cost of road tax, fuel tax tax.
Did I mention tax?
:blg:bhd

T4X

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StephenTazz
16-05-08, 18:02
Thanks for posting this info - more amo for us I'd say.

So, does this effect all those that have Caravelles registered as light goods vehicles, because from DVLA's response to you it seems that they are incorrectly registered.

Anyone living in London, would obviously want their incorrectly registered Caravelle changed to Diesel Car so they won't be liable for the LEZ, but anyone living outside London would do well to leave well alone!

European Whole Vehicle Type Approval and the Vehicle Certification Agency...

... it just so happens that I have some info prepared "back stage" on this very subject...

Jurasik
16-05-08, 18:04
Cool. Let us know when you can. T:

Spit50
22-05-08, 08:49
[QUOTE=Jurasik;105055]DVLA is required to register a vehicle based on the evidence presented at first registration and is unable by law to change the type approval category once the vehicle has been correctly registered.
[QUOTE]

So how does that apply to panel vans that are changed into campers? Should they stay registered as vans I: and keep the £185 tax when blatently no longer LGVs?

Andy

Mr Big
18-08-08, 21:34
Im confused. What are you trying to do Jurasik? Change taxation class simply to pay less VED?

Jurasik
18-08-08, 21:42
That's about the size of it, yes. I think taxation in this country is beyond a joke. Road fund licence does not fund decent roads, it just dissappears into the treasury black hole.
£300 vs £190, I know which one I would like!

Mr Big
18-08-08, 21:47
Totally agree with you mate. But knowing this 'democracy', did you really think it would happen?

You need a bay camper. No tax at all ;)

rhinochaser
22-08-08, 13:31
[QUOTE=Jurasik;105055]DVLA is required to register a vehicle based on the evidence presented at first registration and is unable by law to change the type approval category once the vehicle has been correctly registered.
[QUOTE]

So how does that apply to panel vans that are changed into campers? Should they stay registered as vans I: and keep the £185 tax when blatently no longer LGVs?

Andy

I was honest with dvla after camper conversion.
its still a lgv but the panel van bit has changed to motorhomeT:

denver.t4
16-09-08, 18:31
Hi, you have got me worried now ive read this mine a 03 reg long nose panel van but ive put side windows in mine but my mate has an ex aa but on his v5 doc it come under a minibus and is paying £190 but it is an S reg, so can i change it to this so i can pay 190 for the road tax coz i certainly don't want to pay :c ing 300 odd quid

Anyone help me on this

CheersT:

Gwyn Jones
04-05-09, 09:32
Your mate pays less 'cos his was registered before March 2001 when the tax rules changed...this Government is a bunch of B:*'s


Hi, you have got me worried now ive read this mine a 03 reg long nose panel van but ive put side windows in mine but my mate has an ex aa but on his v5 doc it come under a minibus and is paying £190 but it is an S reg, so can i change it to this so i can pay 190 for the road tax coz i certainly don't want to pay :c ing 300 odd quid

Anyone help me on this

CheersT:

nic 1084
26-05-09, 16:50
I've just looked at the dvla website and it appeared to me that the £550 charge was for new vehicles.

From April 2010, already registered higher emitting cars will be charged up to £30 more and lower emitting cars will be charged up to £30 less.

Band


CO2 (g/km)


2010-11 standard rate


K*


201-225


£245

K is what my 03 2.5 tdi ex aa comes out at....