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Mozzer
15-06-08, 10:09
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x180/morriss_2007/001-3.jpgHi all just got meself a set of pressed german plates.....I have read previous posts on this and have checked the DVLA website and as far as i can tell they are legal yellow/white reflective background numbers letters are the correct size....as for the D well ive seen nunbers plates with playboy bunnies on them so i cant see why this should be a problem....but we will see...i have a copy of the dvla info in the van....so will wait to get stopped i guess...:):)http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x180/morriss_2007/002-3.jpg

T4 VIRGIN,
15-06-08, 12:46
i think any plate other than the standard one is illegal due to the fact that they dont have the bs number in the corner,which makes the plates traceable to old bill,i have non standard(motorcycle letters) on mine,never had anybother because the spacing and size are correct,no doubt you will as i have seen many misspelt and wrong size lettering etc on your travels,so ours arentthe end of the world as perfectly readable

colese
15-06-08, 13:25
Had a set for a while now.Bought off of ebay,good quailty.hav'nt been stopped yet.but all good things come to a end.H:.Managed to pick up a set of surrounds at bristol volksfest last week as well for £15.:ILU:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/coleset4/12062008388.jpg

loud ed
15-06-08, 13:41
they are illegal
Wrong font
no bs no
no post code of origin
and wrong contry displayed
sorry to be a killjoy
look slick as show plates though

Mr Big
15-06-08, 14:24
they are illegal
Wrong font
no bs no
no post code of origin
and wrong contry displayed


Only if the feds can prove they were made after the new regs came in.

Its only since they introduced the new style plates, that there has been a specific font and a requirement for BS no and postcode on the plates. Before that there was no specific font just general size requirements which the German character sets actually meet. Yes it shouldn't have a D flag, but they are the right colours, reflective and are pefectly legible so the chances are you wont have a problem unless you them off.

So, remember.....be nice to Mr Plod I: :D

Oh and those plates look the dogs T:

Mozzer
15-06-08, 16:24
Well will see what happens with the police the plates arnt to extreme...I have the origanol set in the van just in case must admit i love them though:)

Joe
15-06-08, 16:52
I couldnt resist either. Ive had mine on ages, touch wood i havnt had any problems.
I got mine from DubMeister.co.uk highly reccomended.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff159/joe_008/T4/ashridge1.jpg

Ive also got a smaller (6x6inch) plate on my Vespa, havnt had any problems with that either.

I guess if they want to pull you, they will.....

Joe,

vwaddict
15-06-08, 18:13
Only if the feds can prove they were made after the new regs came in.

Its only since they introduced the new style plates, that there has been a specific font and a requirement for BS no and postcode on the plates. Before that there was no specific font just general size requirements which the German character sets actually meet. Yes it shouldn't have a D flag, but they are the right colours, reflective and are pefectly legible so the chances are you wont have a problem unless you them off.

So, remember.....be nice to Mr Plod I: :D

Oh and those plates look the dogs T:

im afraid they dont have to prove nothing i have a mate whose a traffic plod basically if theyre anything but standard plates then theyre illegal you are only allowed gb,sco,or eng as far as theyre concerned if you drive the vehicle your responsible for its legality it just depends on the cop that stops you i was pulled 3 times with my private plate and nothing said then one day i was sitting in mcdonalds with the kids and a traffic car came in to the carpark .plod told me i had 7 faults with my plates i had mispacing ,smaller font,background hologram ,vw where gb should be ,screw through the 8,border line round plate, and no bs number all illegal got £60 fine and letter of to swansea with warning .i have since been stopped twice and once the cop took a tape measure to the lettering to make sure it was right size once they get you your cars marked and thats with a mate in the force

BANANAVAN
15-06-08, 18:20
then one day i was sitting in mcdonalds with the kids and a traffic car came in to the carpark .plod told me i had 7 faults with my plates i had mispacing ,smaller font,background hologram ,vw where gb should be ,screw through the 8,border line round plate, and no bs number all illegal got £60 fine and letter of to swansea with warning


even though you were on private land? :eek: were you ?
Guess there were all out of doughnuts! that day! I:

lardyb
15-06-08, 19:07
I got pulled for mine. none standard font and D band. no fine but had to put normal ones on and get an mot station to stamp the pink form.
lots of forces are clamping down in this now with the NPR cameras.
My recommendation is to say they were on the vehicle when you bought it. the copper that stopped me informed me that it was a "VW scene thing". I didn't tell him I had the proper plates in the back I:

novo
15-06-08, 19:51
im afraid they dont have to prove nothing i have a mate whose a traffic plod basically if theyre anything but standard plates then theyre illegal you are only allowed gb,sco,or eng as far as theyre concerned if you drive the vehicle your responsible for its legality it just depends on the cop that stops you i was pulled 3 times with my private plate and nothing said then one day i was sitting in mcdonalds with the kids and a traffic car came in to the carpark .plod told me i had 7 faults with my plates i had mispacing ,smaller font,background hologram ,vw where gb should be ,screw through the 8,border line round plate, and no bs number all illegal got £60 fine and letter of to swansea with warning .i have since been stopped twice and once the cop took a tape measure to the lettering to make sure it was right size once they get you your cars marked and thats with a mate in the force

Typical of the f:cg cops in this country, enough crime going on and yet they pick on drivers who haven't done anything wrong really, its not as if we're drag racing up the road, doing ram raids, or killing anyone. As long as the plate is clearly visable and not obstructed whats the prob! Easy money thats what.

Mozzer
15-06-08, 20:10
I've come up with a plan I will swap the D for a P tell them I'm Polish and working here illegallly as a plumber and I wil get a free house loads of benefits and a most likely a blue light escort to Tesco to buy my pickled yak jerky!!!!!!!!LOL:

vwaddict
15-06-08, 20:26
even though you were on private land? :eek: were you ?
Guess there were all out of doughnuts! that day! I:

yeah i wondered that . scumbags, they pulled a few that day must have made a few quid from fines . my mate says they play games to pass the time like some days they have a plan like pull all blue cars or pull rainbows which basically means theyl pull a red one then a yellow ,blue green etc .other days it will be vans just depends on your luck i had my plates on 14 months b4 i got caught they have too much power in my opinion i constantly have arguments with my mate about it but i wouldnt trust him as far as i could throw him they ALL stick together

SmileyVan
15-06-08, 20:42
They like to play games - I used to work in the courts in my youth & one of the traffic cops told me they love to play snooker - pull a red then a colour, red, colour, etc. (more points for black), etc. then run through the yellow, green, brown, blue, pink....team red beware! Oh, and white vans were the cueball...

loud ed
16-06-08, 20:10
The fuzz are like a martini any time any place any where
the fine is £30 on the spot even if you have plates in the van
or if the coppers upset its £60 by post
your plate gets flagged goes on to the p n c that can be acessed at all times by a traffic cop you drive past one if hes got nothing better to do he pulls you they are on a points system and if they havent met there target oh dear
if your caught again vehicle can be impounded that will cost in excess of £120 plus
£12 per day storage.and a fine look it up in the traffic act its about 40 pages long

I asked the traffic cop last night at my regular cruise meet after he issued 6 tickets for dogey no plate and 4 for illeagal tints but thats a different storyI:

Mozzer
16-06-08, 20:27
well glad to see my taxes are going to a good use god forbid the police should stop there lifesaving illegal number plate activity and go catch some scumbags mugging old people!

Next time im burgled i will sleep better nowing that the getaway car will have legal plates!!!!

Mr Big
16-06-08, 20:37
im afraid they dont have to prove nothing i have a mate whose a traffic plod basically if theyre anything but standard plates then theyre illegal you are only allowed gb,sco,or eng as far as theyre concerned if you drive the vehicle your responsible for its legality it just depends on the cop that stops you i was pulled 3 times with my private plate and nothing said then one day i was sitting in mcdonalds with the kids and a traffic car came in to the carpark .plod told me i had 7 faults with my plates i had mispacing ,smaller font,background hologram ,vw where gb should be ,screw through the 8,border line round plate, and no bs number all illegal got £60 fine and letter of to swansea with warning .i have since been stopped twice and once the cop took a tape measure to the lettering to make sure it was right size once they get you your cars marked and thats with a mate in the force

Fookin ell. Did you on his chips or something LOL:. None of my plates have BS marks on them because they were made before the regs were introduced and its perfectly legal. And it sounds like your plates were really taking the with smaller fonts and holograms etc. I was running D plates on my VR6 passat for years without any problems at all.

I never said they were legal, but they are sensibly sized and easily legible so the chances of getting done are less that some of the stupid plates with italic fonts which you can't read.

And no offence but my experience of traffic cops is that most of them don't actually know the law anyway :(

Mr Big
16-06-08, 20:41
your plate gets flagged goes on to the p n c that can be acessed at all times by a traffic cop you drive past one if hes got nothing better to do he pulls you

As long as he's not reading it whilst driving and runs over a young girl :mad:

Still at least they caught the ****s who broke into my car last year for nothing more than my wife's boots and a a bag of paperwork they through into the road.

Oh wait a minute......no they ****ing didnt :mad:

Its just an easy way to massage the figures and get some money in. Real criminals are too scary to chase.

vwaddict
17-06-08, 20:04
The fuzz are like a martini any time any place any where
the fine is £30 on the spot even if you have plates in the van
or if the coppers upset its £60 by post
your plate gets flagged goes on to the p n c that can be acessed at all times by a traffic cop you drive past one if hes got nothing better to do he pulls you they are on a points system and if they havent met there target oh dear
if your caught again vehicle can be impounded that will cost in excess of £120 plus
£12 per day storage.and a fine look it up in the traffic act its about 40 pages long

I asked the traffic cop last night at my regular cruise meet after he issued 6 tickets for dogey no plate and 4 for illeagal tints but thats a different storyI:

just to add to whats said above if they really want to you of if your caught again and impounded your plate is revoked and your vehicle can be q plated im afraid it doesnt matter if you agree with them what judge is going to take your side over his buddys in blue .
just like the window tint its not for safety its because if your windows are too dark they cant see if your using a handheld mobile because that would be dangerous despite the fact that police ,ambulance,fire etc have used hand held radios for years while driving and at high speed its one law for them and another for us .although i find it strange that you can use a cb radio legaly while driving but not a phone

phil
17-06-08, 20:19
your plates look great Morris A: cant see the cornish babylon having a problem with those.

and lets not forget,

not all coppers are :c

isnt that right Go-Ferret ;)T:

I think its the luck of the draw, I get waved at most days on my CBR by other bikers and some are bike cops, I ve got a noisy can but I generally get left alone, Cornwalls like that.

If you do get stopped and your polite and genuine then there is a good chance that things can be discussed before getting involved in points and fines, the're still people after all.


cheers

Phil

johneames
17-06-08, 20:30
despite the fact that police ,ambulance,fire etc have used hand held radios for years while driving and at high speed its one law for them and another for us .although i find it strange that you can use a cb radio legaly while driving but not a phone

There are many more mobiles in use today than CB radios so there is more potential to obtain more money by knicking people using the phone. How many people get knicked for smoking whilst driving? The bloody number plate thing is just so that the f"$king cameras can read your plate to obtain even more cash. Dont they get enough money from road tax, VAT etc. They certainly dont spend it on looking after the road surfaces because I'm forever clenching my as I go over rough serfaces and pot holes in the roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boswell
18-06-08, 09:59
If your van is illegal (no matter how minor) and you get nicked tough ****, the law is the black and white. If some beats up your gran but only slightly should we let them off?

scrapperstoo
18-06-08, 10:45
im afraid they dont have to prove nothing i have a mate whose a traffic plod basically if theyre anything but standard plates then theyre illegal you are only allowed gb,sco,or eng as far as theyre concerned if you drive the vehicle your responsible for its legality it just depends on the cop that stops you i was pulled 3 times with my private plate and nothing said then one day i was sitting in mcdonalds with the kids and a traffic car came in to the carpark .plod told me i had 7 faults with my plates i had mispacing ,smaller font,background hologram ,vw where gb should be ,screw through the 8,border line round plate, and no bs number all illegal got £60 fine and letter of to swansea with warning .i have since been stopped twice and once the cop took a tape measure to the lettering to make sure it was right size once they get you your cars marked and thats with a mate in the force

Sounds like a completely different thing to the OP though - if you're going far enough to use black screwcaps to make a letter or digit look like a different one, then I'd say its fair enough that plod pull ya up on it. Same goes with the background holograms if it's opaque enough to make the reg harder to read.

Using plates that would be perfectly legal in Germany, and are still as clear to read as a genuine legal UK plate would be far less of a take in my eyes, and I'd reckon you'd need to stumble across a right s:cthouse of a copper to land ya anything more than a rectification notice over it.

I always leave standard plates on 4 wheelers to minimise hassle if I ever get pulled over for anything else. I do have slightly smaller than standard plates on my bikes though - only been pulled over twice for it, and both times have managed to argue my case that they need to be smaller for safety (it's an on/off road bike and I drop it fairly frequently - full size legal plates would get broken frequently and potentially leave sharp edges to slice my legs next time I fell off the back :D ) :ILU:


If you do get stopped and your polite and genuine then there is a good chance that things can be discussed before getting involved in points and fines, the're still people after all.


+1 - this has definitely been my experience more often than not.

Pretty much the only time I've not been able to talk my way out of a serious bollocking was when I got nabbed for 120mph on the M6. Mardy pig-bitch evidently decided she knew more than me about road safety and decided to ticket me anyway (although admittedly only for 99.96mph :D ) Pah! Must have been rag week or needing to make up numbers for her quota or something. I: (Just in case it's not obvious, yes that last bit was a bit tongue in cheek ;)T: )

Sam
18-06-08, 10:47
I agree with Boswell but it is also fair to say that when someones gran does get beaten up, far less effort seems to be made to find the criminal than is made stopping people for petty crimes. I know the law is black and white in theory but if it was in practice, you wouldn't need judges and jurys weighing up the pros and cons of a case and you wouldn't have leniency in sentencing or time off for good behaviour. Solicitors etc also wouldn't be able to find legal loopholes to get people off!

People have got so wrapped up in the letter of the law, that they have forgotten the spirit of the law, the actual reason the law was introduced. Laws weren't written and then applied to whatever they fitted to, something was deemed unacceptable by society and a law was passed. What is acceptable and not acceptable is now lost in a sea of black/white, right/wrong. There is no way that the spacing on a number plate could possibly be seen by society as needing the same amount (and in some cases more) attention, than that of an assault for instance. Just my opinion obviously but if violent crime etc was fixed by all means concentrate on the smaller stuff but the priorities are all wrong at the moment I think.

colese
18-06-08, 13:48
I say go germen plates....if i get pulled i will change them,but so far so good,plus they look awesome.....

Maybe the police should lose a bit of papaerwork and get back to dealing with some proper crimes,dont see how a plate is going to hurt anyone,and there is'nt much chance of me getting caught on a camera as i drive a 1.9td.lol.plus the thing is so low,slow driving is the only way of moving around,without hitting mine and the familys heads on the roof.

Joe
18-06-08, 22:24
After reading this thread, I think I will get myself a set of legal plates for the sake of 20 quid - Saves having to pay a fine, and then buying new plates (totaling around £80 altogether). Ill keep my german plates for shows, as they do look ace.

Plus, going through Germany in the summer, I dont want any reasons for the German plod to pull me. Saying that, last time we were in Germany, we got pulled over by the most unhappy of German police squad (four of them in one car) and they had a full search of the van... we must have looked dodgy I:

Joe,

scotty156
19-06-08, 00:08
just to add to whats said above if they really want to you of if your caught again and impounded your plate is revoked and your vehicle can be q plated im afraid it doesnt matter if you agree with them what judge is going to take your side over his buddys in blue .
just like the window tint its not for safety its because if your windows are too dark they cant see if your using a handheld mobile because that would be dangerous despite the fact that police ,ambulance,fire etc have used hand held radios for years while driving and at high speed its one law for them and another for us .although i find it strange that you can use a cb radio legaly while driving but not a phone

Sorry vwaddict just reading this thread as i have these german style plates on my t4...think they look ace and i've decided to gamble on the being pulled by police ....

My only comment (as a paramedic) is to ur reference bout its ok for Emergency services using hand held radios but not public using a phone...
Just to clarify i never use the hand held to make idle conversation with friends etc... infact only time it is used by the driver of the ambulance is when transporting critically ill peeps to hospital so that an alert message can be given to the recieving hospital...

Soz for the rant but i've witnessed a number of deaths/serious injuries thru neglegance of using mobiles whilst driving... and its not gud. Sure u didn't mean any offence tho really so i'll get off me soap box now... I:

Keith

Mr Big
19-06-08, 17:01
After reading this thread, I think I will get myself a set of legal plates for the sake of 20 quid - Saves having to pay a fine, and then buying new plates (totaling around £80 altogether). Ill keep my german plates for shows, as they do look ace.

Plus, going through Germany in the summer, I dont want any reasons for the German plod to pull me. Saying that, last time we were in Germany, we got pulled over by the most unhappy of German police squad (four of them in one car) and they had a full search of the van... we must have looked dodgy I:

Joe,

Yeah we decided it would be a good idea to tape over the D flag on the german plates when we went to the Nurburgring last year!

vwaddict
19-06-08, 20:34
Sorry vwaddict just reading this thread as i have these german style plates on my t4...think they look ace and i've decided to gamble on the being pulled by police ....

My only comment (as a paramedic) is to ur reference bout its ok for Emergency services using hand held radios but not public using a phone...
Just to clarify i never use the hand held to make idle conversation with friends etc... infact only time it is used by the driver of the ambulance is when transporting critically ill peeps to hospital so that an alert message can be given to the recieving hospital...

Soz for the rant but i've witnessed a number of deaths/serious injuries thru neglegance of using mobiles whilst driving... and its not gud. Sure u didn't mean any offence tho really so i'll get off me soap box now... I:

Keith

no offence meant mate my dad was an ambulance driver ,my mums was a matron and my sisters a child epilepsy specialist ( no honestly ) so ive heard the horror stories too i was just making a point that the laws an ass .as far as im concerned using a hands free phone is still distracting although legal holding a phone in your hand is the same as holding a can of juice ,an apple or a cigarette which arent illegal it apears to me to just be another way of making easy money yes some idiots have died using phones whilst driving but that doesnt mean everyones as careless i worked as a courier for many years and had to use a hand held carphone and never at anytime had an incident some may say i was lucky id just say i was careful .same with the plates its just another law which gives the police easy targets to make money

vwaddict
19-06-08, 20:44
Sounds like a completely different thing to the OP though - if you're going far enough to use black screwcaps to make a letter or digit look like a different one, then I'd say its fair enough that plod pull ya up on it. Same goes with the background holograms if it's opaque enough to make the reg harder to read.

Using plates that would be perfectly legal in Germany, and are still as clear to read as a genuine legal UK plate would be far less of a take in my eyes, and I'd reckon you'd need to stumble across a right s:cthouse of a copper to land ya anything more than a rectification notice over it.

I always leave standard plates on 4 wheelers to minimise hassle if I ever get pulled over for anything else. I do have slightly smaller than standard plates on my bikes though - only been pulled over twice for it, and both times have managed to argue my case that they need to be smaller for safety (it's an on/off road bike and I drop it fairly frequently - full size legal plates would get broken frequently and potentially leave sharp edges to slice my legs next time I fell off the back :D ) :ILU:



+1 - this has definitely been my experience more often than not.

Pretty much the only time I've not been able to talk my way out of a serious bollocking was when I got nabbed for 120mph on the M6. Mardy pig-bitch evidently decided she knew more than me about road safety and decided to ticket me anyway (although admittedly only for 99.96mph :D ) Pah! Must have been rag week or needing to make up numbers for her quota or something. I: (Just in case it's not obvious, yes that last bit was a bit tongue in cheek ;)T: )

hi mate im aware that my plates were probably more noticible i was just making others aware that as far as plod is concerned ilegal is ilegal regardless of how much .at the moment dvla and plod are clamping down on illegal plates i have this from the horses mouth so to speak so if theres a chance for them to do you they will .i have also been told by my mate ( traffic plod ) that due to a recent high number of incidents involving people trying to get out of paying speeding fines etc by registering the vehicle in a random polish name for a few weeks/months then reregistering in there own in order to make out they werent the owner at the time of offence that plates bearing any other countrys badge ie d, pol,etc but with british numbers are more likely to be pulled .you may be alright in cornwall but in the cities your asking to be pulled

loud ed
19-06-08, 21:00
the modern police car is fitted with so many high tech gadgets the coppers dont need to look there computer shouts at them and they just pull you over
the cameras look at whats in front of them whats behind them and oncoming traffic too they know whether your van is taxed, M,O,Ted, insured,
who should be driving how many times it has been pulled over and for what
and what time you last went to the toiletI:
YOU CANT WIN
ok you might get away with it in the sticks but try it in the towns and cities:no

scotty156
19-06-08, 22:43
Always gunna be a sore point tho.... It is another human trait to wanna be slightly different so we're not all the same....

Defo agree that it does seem to be the minor offences that get punished the most....

I'll be gutted if i do eva get pulled and fined for my plates but its also a good talkin point with peeps who see them... So i'll remain hopefull with knowing alot of my local plods that i'll be able to get off with fine when i 1st run into them !!! I:

Ur family sounds like mine vwaddict... strong NHS connections T: lmao.

vanheaven
19-06-08, 23:17
Im just been nosey but your van is a 97/98 S how come you have a pre 96 front end with the split valance below the grill im not been a looser im just intreeged because i preffer that look silly question i know love the van and plats at the end of the day the plates list your reg no and as far as im concerned thats all that matters i really want black and silver plates. :ILU:

Mozzer
20-06-08, 17:45
Cant say ive noticed the pre 96 grill thing before prob changed in the past maybe had a ding or something

psycho
20-06-08, 19:32
just to add to whats said above if they really want to you of if your caught again and impounded your plate is revoked and your vehicle can be q plated im afraid it doesnt matter if you agree with them what judge is going to take your side over his buddys in blue .
just like the window tint its not for safety its because if your windows are too dark they cant see if your using a handheld mobile because that would be dangerous despite the fact that police ,ambulance,fire etc have used hand held radios for years while driving and at high speed its one law for them and another for us .although i find it strange that you can use a cb radio legaly while driving but not a phone

vwaddict, just carrying on from what scotty156 said earlier, please dont tar us all with the same brush as the plod.

As a firefighter and driver of fire appliances, we DO NOT touch any phones or hand held cb's whilst driving, whether it be at high speed or normal road speed. this is all done by other crew members. The only time that the driver uses the radio or phone is when stationary to send messages to the control room.

sorry for the rant, I agree with all the comments on this thread about said plod, but just had to get that off my chest.

cheers PsychoT:

tonypastie
21-06-08, 22:08
i got pulled with mine on copper said (i love vw,s) so get them changed and dont let me see you again (opps still on)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/tonypastie/016-2.jpg

tonypastie
21-06-08, 22:09
but painted the van fromm aa yellow to red :)

slammedviper
21-06-08, 22:50
the modern police car is fitted with so many high tech gadgets the coppers dont need to look there computer shouts at them and they just pull you over
the cameras look at whats in front of them whats behind them and oncoming traffic too they know whether your van is taxed, M,O,Ted, insured,
who should be driving how many times it has been pulled over and for what
and what time you last went to the toiletI:
YOU CANT WIN
ok you might get away with it in the sticks but try it in the towns and cities:no

hate to disagree with ya, but i drove around with no MOT for 5 months... had absolutely no idea that it had expired as i was under the impression that the guy i bought it from MOT'd it when i bought it!!!! turns out it only had 3 months left!!! i did approx 10k on the M5, M4 and M25 in the months it wasn't MOT'd and no one said anything... didn't get pulled once... plus, drove by a highways van that was plate checking for insurance, etc and didn't get pulled, nor have i had anything throught the post saying oi oi... i'm sure we all suspect that in some cases the polices can't be assed to do anything when there's something suspicious going on, its human nature, are they're any polices on here? I:

Jono :ILU:

loud ed
22-06-08, 17:42
All i can say is you were very lucky or it was a while ago
try going to any town on a night when the modded boys are having a meet (boy racer cruise) dont think you would be so lucky then watch the cops from esex on the telly the intercepters and you will see what they can do
:bhd im only trying to warn you
ED

Mozzer
23-06-08, 18:35
anyway i like me plates so they are stayingRasp:

Vyper
23-06-08, 19:02
anyway i like me plates so they are stayingRasp:

As a fellow europl8ter I'd have to say your zero's gonna cause you grief matey. But apart from that, with correct spacing, reflective white and yellow backgrounds and no obvious D stylee options, (ie province and town badges) yuo would be ok.

Marker pen on the zero? lol ;)

Vyper

X_FISH
25-06-08, 07:56
I nearly fell of my chair when I followed the link to http://dubmeister.co.uk/ and the "fun plates".

Please, never use them in Germany if you do not want to get a lot of trouble.

The »replica Stadt 'seals'« are a »certificate«. If you use false ones on a public road -> the authorities will not be very amused. Some German law:




StGB § 267 Urkundenfälschung

(1) Wer zur Täuschung im Rechtsverkehr eine unechte Urkunde herstellt, eine echte Urkunde verfälscht oder eine unechte oder verfälschte Urkunde gebraucht, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe bestraft.

(2) Der Versuch ist strafbar.

(3) In besonders schweren Fällen ist die Strafe Freiheitsstrafe von sechs Monaten bis zu zehn Jahren. Ein besonders schwerer Fall liegt in der Regel vor, wenn der Täter

1. gewerbsmäßig oder als Mitglied einer Bande handelt, die sich zur fortgesetzten Begehung von Betrug oder Urkundenfälschung verbunden hat,

2. einen Vermögensverlust großen Ausmaßes herbeiführt,

3. durch eine große Zahl von unechten oder verfälschten Urkunden die Sicherheit des Rechtsverkehrs erheblich gefährdet oder

4. seine Befugnisse oder seine Stellung als Amtsträger mißbraucht.

(4) Mit Freiheitsstrafe von einem Jahr bis zu zehn Jahren, in minder schweren Fällen mit Freiheitsstrafe von sechs Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren wird bestraft, wer die Urkundenfälschung als Mitglied einer Bande, die sich zur fortgesetzten Begehung von Straftaten nach den §§ 263 bis 264 oder 267 bis 269 verbunden hat, gewerbsmäßig begeht.

Source: <http://www.verkehrslexikon.de/Texte/StGB267.htm> 25.06.2008, 9:49

Simplified translation:

(1) The person that creates a false certificate or is distorting or tempering with an real certificate can be imprisoned up to five years or have to pay a fine.

(2) The attempt is punishable by law.

(3) In particularly serious cases, the penalty of imprisonment of six months to ten years. A particularly difficult case is the rule, if the offender

1st) professionally or as a member of a gang, which continued to commit fraud or forgery of documents connected,

2nd) leads to an asset loss of large-scale,

3rd) by a large number of false or falsified documents the safety and security of legal transactions significantly threatened or

4th) his powers or his position as an office-holder in vain.

(4) With prison sentence of one year up to ten years, in less serious cases with imprisonment of six months to five years will be punished, who the forgery of documents as a member of a gang who continued to commit offences under Sections 263 to 264 or 267 to 269 connected, commercial celebrates.

Greetings, Martin

scotty156
17-07-08, 10:50
Well,

I've recently been on camping holiday to Tenby in Sth Wales.

1st night had problem and had to head out to local Tesco...Long story.

On way back to campsite got pulled by local plods as was looking suspicious (really i was just very lost lol)

Got the works and they wanted a look thru the van... breathalized etc. No mention of my "illegal" plates tho.... I:

Yippeeeeeee.