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Buyers guide?

clewlessboutT4s
10-08-08, 21:49
I am looking at buying a T4, but I can't find any 'buyers guide' on tinternet. Any help on what to look out for and avoid would be very much appreciated. Below are a few questions.

I've heard that if the oil light staying on means a new oil pump, avoid ex AA due to electrical gremlins. Are either true?

What are insurance premiums like?

Does putting 18'' wheels on reduce fuel consumption dramatically?

Corrosion problems?

High mileage a problem?

Is the 2.5tdi more economical than 1.9td?

I have so many questions, sorry.

Thanks


Nice forum by the way.

jamestopdog
10-08-08, 21:55
I am looking at buying a T4, but I can't find any 'buyers guide' on tinternet. Any help on what to look out for and avoid would be very much appreciated. Below are a few questions.

I've heard that if the oil light staying on means a new oil pump, avoid ex AA due to electrical gremlins. Are either true?

What are insurance premiums like?

Does putting 18'' wheels on reduce fuel consumption dramatically?

Corrosion problems?

High mileage a problem?

Is the 2.5tdi more economical than 1.9td?

I have so many questions, sorry.

Thanks


Nice forum by the way.


not a good sign and dont know

good but dependent on age

no

yes, wheel arches, windscreen surround (usually caused by careless windscreen fitters) petrol cap

not a problem with fsh

2.5 better imo as dont have to thrash it so much Im returning 38mpg

T:

T4 Tom
10-08-08, 23:39
If you put 18" wheels on you'll probably run a tyre profile of about 40 which will keep the rolling radius of the wheel pretty close to what it would have been originally so that the speedo remains accurate and gearing etc.


A lot of people one here have ex AA vans and I don't think they have had major problems. The so called electrical gremlin probably refers to the imobilisor which has been known to cause issues. I think some people had it bypassed in order to sort that one out, so nothing major

Oil light, if the oil light comes on and rev gauge also doesn't work it may be a simple electrical fault.

I find that most of the time a warning light seems to come on due to a faulty sensor rather than an actual fault but this won't always be the case.

As James said those are the areas to watch. My T4 is an old P-reg and I'm impressed with the lack of corrosion however top of windscreen, below filler cap and front arch/ sill is starting to surface rust - been quoted 350 to sort the lot but will prob just do it my self for now.


IMO, the 1.9TD's and 2.5TDi's both have their advantages.

There are two different 2.5TDi models.

one is the TDi 88bhp (non intercooled)

and the other is 102bhp (intercooled)

These are modern(ish) 5cyl engines, pretty smooth for diesels, powerful and quite econical as James said.

The disadvantage (if it can be called that) is that they are bit more complex than the little old 1.9TD's. The cost of servicing a 2.5TDi is a little more than a 1.9TD. Cam belt changes are more complex and cost around 350-600 from reading around the forum (depending where you take it)

But then again, once thats done, its another 60k or four years til it needs doing again and I've heard they are pretty reliable)


The 1.9TD is what I have. I like it because it's a small engine in a big engine bay, lots of room to work on things and its a lot simpler than the more modern engines. It cost me 150 to get my cam belt changed including genuine VW cam belt kit.

They are reliable engines but only 68BHP in standard form. I have tweaked mine which only took a couple of hours to do, this tweak is turning up the boost on the turbo and the fuel, which makes it pull a lot better.

The 1.9TD is noisier than the 2.5 mainly because of gearing. It revs quite high so anything above 70 IMO is not that comfortable although apparently the 5th gear can be modified to make it rev lower

High mileage wouldn't bother me if it has lots of history.



Hope that is of some help, I'm only a novice my self,

Cheers,

Tom

vanbling
11-08-08, 00:48
In short...........

Buy high.....

Sell low................. H:

clewlessboutT4s
12-08-08, 15:55
Thanks for the advice.

I have seen ex AA on Ebay for about 5k with 18''alloys and full polish and valet.

Worth it or over priced?

I haven't decided which engine size to go for, and whether is it would be worth spending upto 5k, or just going for the vans which are between 1300 and 2000squid from the van dealers on autotrader.

T4 Tom
12-08-08, 19:10
depends on age & mileage and general condition really.


If it's a 52/53 reg I'd thin 5k is good T:

T4 Tom
12-08-08, 19:12
Also, I paid the smaller amount for van as you are considering, i then spent 500 on it straight away as it needed cam belt, new battery, diesel pump top (started to leak), a full service and various other bits. I then spent 400 on wheels & tyres. and by the time you add on the insulation, ply wood, flooring and stuff my van must owe me over 4k now and at the end of the day it's only a P-reg 1.9TD

My next van will deffo be a 2.5TDi. I do like the 1.9TD because of it's simplicty but it's not as refined as I'd like (although its better than a transit lol)

clewlessboutT4s
12-08-08, 21:20
Thanks T4Tom
I agree with you on the transits!

I am leaning towards the 1.9 if I'm honest, due to the cost and ease of maintenance etc. I do between 400 to 800 miles for work a month depending on if I car pool or not. Am I right in thinking the 1.9 has slighlty better mpg?

I currently drive a jeep but my windsurf kit and wife don't all fit in it. I get about 200miles to 30quid of LPG. Judging by the posts on this forum I reckon I would get the same or better in a T4. Also the idea of camping trips down the west coast of Wales are appealing.

I take it the insulation used when ply lining is specialist as it doesn't trap condensation.

Again thanks to all who have offered advice.