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Walesy
04-11-08, 16:57
Hi folks,

I've been looking at buying a T4 for a while, keeping an eye on prices etc and it seems like now is a good time to be buying. I've seen a van for sale that I really like and can be bought for my budget but the only problem with it is that its the 1.9td rather than the 2.5TDI, i've been advised that the 2.5tdi is the one to be going for as the 1.9td is pretty slow once converted. I dont want to buy the van and spend the next few years driving it constantly wishing that i'd got a 2.5tdi

The van has had a camper conversion that I really like, and seems to be in pretty good nic all round, but i'm fairly certain I could find a similar condition 2.5tdi and have it converted for not too much more money. Obviously it'd be a lot easier to just buy the 1.9td as it's all done and ready to go which would save a lot of hassle/time/money so it's very tempting.

What I want to know is what peoples thoughts are on whether i'd be mad to go for the 1.9td or whether they're not tooo bad to drive. My local VW specialist reckons he can tune a 1.9td to around 90bhp cheaply and reliably - has anyone on here done this and how have they found it.

Cheers.

ady15
04-11-08, 17:00
personally go for the most powerful engine you can afford, if you end up with the smaller engine, at least you will have a great van and you wont be broke, then in a few years you can move up the ladder. 2.5 is amazing but as long as you dont test one you'll never know the difference...

my 2 pence worth

pope
04-11-08, 17:07
i had a 1.9td and it was a piece of :c, it hardly got up hills when i had any weight in it and i blew 2 engines because i gave it so much stick to get up to 20mphLOL:
i now have an ex aa 2.5 102bhp and my god it is different beast!!!!:eek:
this thing flys and after pp it will be amazing
saying that the 1.9 was cheaper on the small things that went wrong but still ill NEVER own another, there is NO comparison imo

Walesy
04-11-08, 17:09
I can afford the 2.5tdi, but the 1.9td seems to be the easier option - if it isn't *that* slow i'd be happy with it but I don't want something that i'll be dreading hills with etc, I want it to have a bit of poke.

simplepsy
04-11-08, 17:10
I went for a 1.9td as its my first van and Im no mechanic...

simplicity, ease and cost of servicing and reliability are what Im looking for. Anyway, who wants to go fast - no one can admire your van from their rear view mirror LOL:

Eitherway, the overally quality and reliability of the entire van is the most important thing, not whether it is 1.9 or 2.5 :dunno:

Edit:
unless you are towing, in which case go for the 2.5!

Walesy
04-11-08, 17:11
i had a 1.9td and it was a piece of :c, it hardly got up hills when i had any weight in it and i blew 2 engines because i gave it so much stick to get up to 20mphLOL:
i now have an ex aa 2.5 102bhp and my god it is different beast!!!!:eek:
this thing flys and after pp it will be amazing
saying that the 1.9 was cheaper on the small things that went wrong but still ill NEVER own another, there is NO comparison imo

Cheers for that, that's exactly what i'm talking about! :lol:

I just saw an Ex-AA in Newquay a couple of hours back in the town centre, there seems to be loads of them about at the mo!

Walesy
04-11-08, 17:12
I went for a 1.9td as its my first van and Im no mechanic...

simplicity, ease and cost of servicing and reliability are what Im looking for. Anyway, who wants to go fast - no one can admire your van from their rear view mirror LOL:

Eitherway, the overally quality and reliability of the entire van is the most important thing, not whether it is 1.9 or 2.5 :dunno:

Edit:
unless you are towing, in which case go for the 2.5!

Yeah I get your point, I dont expect a drag racer but in the same light I dont want something that'll be annoyingly underpowered.

simplepsy
04-11-08, 17:13
there seems to be loads of them about at the mo!


Yeah; common as muck LOL:

regarding the annoyingly underpowered concern, thats a bit subjective for me, not least cos I only have my mums skoda to compare it to! LOL:

I have not fully converted my 1.9 yet so I cant comment regarding fully laden power but If its OK for VW to prodice, then its OK for me to drive. Having said that, more power would be fun but there I guess its a trade off :dunno:

Edit:

What I mean to say is dont get too hooked up on the engine... get the best van you can afford T:

dubbins
04-11-08, 17:25
Hi,

Prior to buying my 2.5tdi LWB I was borrowing and driving my friends 1.9td SWB when we went away. I think there is a big difference. Its not just about going up hill and overtaking its how it feels when you are cruising on the motorway. When wanting some extra power to overtake the 1.9 is laboured whereas the 2.5 has a real burst of power. I just think the 2.5tdi is a much better engine and agree with earlier comments about going for the best you can afford. Also when you come to sell in the future it will be more desirable.

Good luck looking! T:

ady15
04-11-08, 17:34
the texaco garage in newquay always has up to 4 or 5 on the forecort for sale, they even have a t5 for under 7k at the moment mileage is up near 100 thou though.

Walesy
04-11-08, 17:40
Yeah i've been and looked at it, it's a lovely van for 6k but that's my whole budget so I wouldn't be able to afford the camper conversion!

I think going on what's been said, it'll have to be the 2.5tdi

I've had various Corrados over the last 6 years and started off with a 2.08v and moved to a 2.016v and was never happy untill I got a G60 and VR6, and it sounds like the same thing will apply here - i'm going to be better off starting with a decent 2.5tdi and going from there.

Cheers for the comments.

Conspiracy
04-11-08, 17:47
Have a read of this thread

https://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576&highlight=project+power

If you havent driven a 2.5 and wanted a blast in one, I'm in Hayle and your welcome to take mine for a raggin T:

Hope you find somethin fella, let me know if ya wanna blast ;)

Cheers

Chris :ILU:

t4toad
04-11-08, 18:06
I have a 1.9TD she will do 75 /80 no probs all day i have not found a prob with up hill power she is easy to work on and cheap on parts long live the 1.9 td its a van not a spots car T:

Walesy
04-11-08, 18:10
Absolutely, like I said im not interested in making it go 'quick' - I just dont want an underpowered van which is annoying/hard work to drive.

Walesy
04-11-08, 18:11
Have a read of this thread

https://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576&highlight=project+power

If you havent driven a 2.5 and wanted a blast in one, I'm in Hayle and your welcome to take mine for a raggin T:

Hope you find somethin fella, let me know if ya wanna blast ;)

Cheers

Chris :ILU:


Nice one mate, that's a kind offer T:

aggie
11-11-08, 17:31
Hey mate get a 1.9 and bring it to me for a tweek-up you dont need a 2.5 honestly! Have a go in my 1.9 TDI next time your round at the garage and i can gurantee i can make a 1.9TD go almost as good!

paul ss
11-11-08, 17:38
if it was me it would be 1.9 rather than 2.5

cheaper to maintain
cheaper on tax no doubt
can be made just as quick for penut's

H34TON
11-11-08, 17:49
I'm running a 1.9td 800 special, and unladen, she accelerates quite rapidly for a van!!
She'll cruise on the motorway at 85 all day with all my bands gear in the back and still return 35mpg. obviously, she's going to be slower up hill, but she still beats the out of any other van I've ever owned, even my old sprinter!!T:T:

David
11-11-08, 17:56
Depends what you're gonna use it for

As a 2nd vehicle for holidays and day trips 1.9 is fine and easy / cheap to live with. As a daily driver doing decent mileage then 2.5 would be my advice.

neither is ever gonna be a sports car though

the Green Geko
11-11-08, 18:12
AHH forget the TDI club Rasp: come join the regular 1.9 "cruise all day at 60" club :dunno:

You get to enjoy the scenery A: and peeps get a better look at your cool van :cool:

you'll never look back

















coz you'll be at the back :(

L-REX
11-11-08, 18:45
Hi I find my 1.9td runs fine up hills even with the family packed in etc & have found the running costs fantastic, great fun granted I stick around the 75/80 but whats the rush ?

Walesy
11-11-08, 19:15
if it isn't *that* slow i'd be happy with it but I don't want something that i'll be dreading hills with etc, I want it to have a bit of poke.

Yeah I get your point, I dont expect a drag racer but in the same light I dont want something that'll be annoyingly underpowered.

Absolutely, like I said im not interested in making it go 'quick' - I just dont want an underpowered van which is annoying/hard work to drive.

I'm not sure why I need to say it again, but i'm not looking for a van that will be as quick as a 'sports' car, or anything like it!! I just dont want to be kicking myself having spent a large amount of money and time converting a van that I find too slow on long journeys. I have family in S.France so fancy doing quite a lot of long journeys, on motorways as well as mountain regions etc etc so i'm pretty certain that the best route is to get myself the 5 cyl 2.5.

Hey mate get a 1.9 and bring it to me for a tweek-up you dont need a 2.5 honestly! Have a go in my 1.9 TDI next time your round at the garage and i can gurantee i can make a 1.9TD go almost as good!

Hi fella, I think you lot have enough of my money already, without adding tuning a 1.9td within an inch of it's life to the bill Rasp:H: It'd be good to have a look around your van though, I expect i'll be around tomorrow - I also wanted to chat to you about camper wiring and forgot to mention it today! T:

redlee
11-11-08, 19:19
I'd go for the 2.5 even though it is still a van it's not as painfully slow as some of the others, i had a 2.4 n/a before the 2.5tdi and god was it slow on any surface especially a hill. If you got the 1.9 you'd always be wishing you'd gone for the bigger engine, not quite the difference of a 8v rado to 20vt rado.

Cosha
11-11-08, 19:36
I have a 2ltr Pertol LWB...im not sure about the BHP on it but i have now problem getting up to speed and up hills, it likes to tug along quite nicely!!

BANANAVAN
11-11-08, 19:43
Hey mate get a 1.9 and bring it to me for a tweek-up you dont need a 2.5 honestly! Have a go in my 1.9 TDI next time your round at the garage and i can gurantee i can make a 1.9TD go almost as good!

T: have you done a complete engine transplant?

Walesy
11-11-08, 21:23
Here you are mate T:

https://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=15258

Henley
11-11-08, 22:22
Hi All,
When i first got into t4's i attended a local meetup at carslile where Andrew (golfgtioz) was kind enough to take me out for a ride in both the 1.9td and a 2.5tdi 102hp model as i was going through the same dilema; After this i decided that i would definatly get the 2.5 as it just felt more certian with it's power compared to the 1.9. Later in the year I (well father and I) test drove a re-mapped Ex-AA which was a flying machine... that was fast. In the end up we bought a 2.5tdi 88hp off ebay which isn't a rocket, but it still has the torque of the 2.5 and doesn't struggle with hills/overtaking. Plus with the 88hp there is always the option to PP, and add the intercooler etc

just my chips

Henley

JIMMYJAMES
12-11-08, 04:13
Firstly good luck with the search whatever you chose and here is my honest take on things based on my van being a daily driver and holiday wagon.

I have done all the Project Power mods (based on boost increase from 10psi to 14psi, just enough fuelling to achieve it and well within engine tolerances) with the idea of making it easier to drive and what a difference it has made with a few silly little adjustments and an intercooler. I can actually overtake now which needed huge amounts of space before and i have just come back from 10 days 2000 miles trip around Scotland cruising at 80-85mph on motorways with plenty left under the pedal and its been fanastic with no problems at all and even when fully loaded i had no problems with any hills or found myself wanting (still dont want a 2.5tdi).

2.5 tdi's are ok but i avoided them because all i hear about is problems on the electrics which can be costly to sort out and find and costly to Project Power and then there is the silly money they seem to fetch:confused:. I realise that all you hear about is the negative and there probably are really good ones out there but problems are rare on the 1.9td which is why i chose one. The 1.9td is never going to be quick but its more than adequate for the job, parts are easy to find as the ABL engine is plentiful in many VAG cars and its the most tried and tested engine variant. In the event that it does go wrong any two bit mechanic with an ounce of knowledge can fix it without having a degree in IT.

If you want to tow and you need the torque buy a 2.5tdi. If you want to race and go fast everywhere buy a 2.5tdi. If not dont waste your money paying the extra when you can pick up a 1.9td for peanuts in comparison.

The rest of you leave the little 1.9td alone cos they are spot on Rasp:

Walesy
13-11-08, 19:55
Cheers for all the posts, I didn't realise there was such a divide on here (1.9td vs 2.5tdi H: )

Anyway, i've put a deposit down on a nice 2.5tdi, originally a 88bhp but has had the intercooler fitted as well as a re-map so it's pretty nippy to be fair! :D

I'm hopefully picking it up tomorrow subject to checking a few bits of paperwork :D