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Thinking of buying an auto

uberlucky
16-12-07, 06:32
Hi peeps can anyone shed some light on autos.
As i have never driven one,well not a t4 anyway.
Are auto/g/boxes reliable.
Do they use much more fuel.:eek:

gumball3000
16-12-07, 14:19
i have a 2003 t4 swb auto with 42,000 miles and its just had a new box , real nice to drive and as for fuel about 30 mpg from a 102 bhp 2.5 diesel , but drive fast and it sucks it up , in my opinion auto is better in todays traffic but gauge other opinions first , good luck gumball :)

bigcat
16-12-07, 16:39
From what I've seen of my mate's it's fine to drive, but overall maybe 10% less fuel efficient than a manual. That gap sems to close on a long motorway run though. His van had a new box at about 85k though I think.

uberlucky
16-12-07, 17:08
Thanks guys,van i am thinking about has had a recon g/box at 100,000mls.

thebouncingbunny
16-12-07, 17:29
funny i read on the old forum they are likely to need replacing at 100k.
42k isnt too good an advert is it?:confused:

Tintent
18-12-07, 15:48
I wouldn't go back to manual (but then my knackered left leg stops me using a clutch!!). I think the ride in the T4 is as good as any other auto I've driven and I'm more than happy with it. After taking advice on here I've organised a gearbox fluid change at my local stealer. Cost 150 and some say should be done every 40,000 miles or so. Good luck. I don't think you'll be disappointed either way!

NeedAJob
19-12-07, 07:44
I've got a '93 2.5 Petrol Auto, with 125k miles, and it is great.

projeckt2ton
19-12-07, 11:36
T:150 For a fluid change ouch - auto boxs take approx 7 litres of atf and atf trade is 7.50 a litre (inc vat fron VW) so lets round that up to 40 (being overly fair) 90 labour for a 20min job!!

not bad work if you can get it!!!

i'm on my second auto first was a t25 (t3) carat bus 1.9 auto thirsty but fun had 2.1 petrol t3 and got a 2.4d t4 and a 2.5 auto.

The T4's great very smooth - fuel consumption how many times do i have to say on this forum - its a in van it aint supposed to be fuel efficent by an electric car and stick a vw sticker on it.H:

2.5 petrol with lpg is a bonus though, wouldnt not have manual gears by choice auto just makes cruising and being stuck in traffic equally enjoyable!!
T:

Tintent
19-12-07, 12:04
The 150 wasn't that welcome, especially at this time of year!! Someone else on here said it would be 140 ish from an independant auto specialist. I couldn't find one locally so went to the dealer, I didn't think 10 extra was too bad for a main dealer. Oh well, it's always a pain having to pay folk when you can't do the job yourself!!

It will put my mind at rest though and that'll be nice for Christmas!!

vwaddict
19-12-07, 21:57
had 2 auto t4s both had gearbox problems 2nd one was in and out of vw like a fiddlers elbow before they gave in and fitted a new box i then got shot of mighty quick unless you have a reason to need an auto get a manual less heartache and cash

type 2 reject
22-12-07, 21:24
I have a 2.5 auto petrol with 155K on the clock and it runs a treat, tiz a bit thirsty so had LPG fitted 80 litres for 38, pound for pound thats about 45 to a gallon.A:A:

TDI Dave
08-01-08, 16:25
Auto boxes are hard to come by and are very substandard in the t4
Gearboxes in old vw last forever t4 seem to be major problematic
im having to shell out 1500 quid for a recon box fitted but the box itself is1050 plus vat ! On a flaming 52 plate (even ford vauxhall are better than that!)
why do old fords etc.. go for 300k without needing new boxes?

t4,s die at 100k or often sooner (40k earlier in thread!)

oh and the oil change will always cost 140+ as there is no drain plug as such the gearbox sump has to be removed hence new gasket ,oil and filter
also there is a sequence to filling them
i think it goes run engine select each gear for so long whilst filling with oil in a stupidly in acceable place also no dip stik to see if your oil needs topping up or changing (easily ,you can remove a plug on the sump to see if your at the level ,after removing the under guard ,just to check lvl i think not)

Totaly inadiquate box for such a heavy van imho

I unfortunatly have to have an auto cus of wife disability

if you can have a manual box t4 Get one

Leave auto's well alone well VW T4 auto's at least

call any reconditioner they will tell you the horror stories for yourself

The vw main dealer will charge just a tad over three grand for the box change
Bargain if you get another 100 k out of it

Tintent
08-01-08, 17:14
My thoughts were starting to go the way of the above post. However, I paid the 135 for the dealer fluid change and it made a world of difference to the responsiveness of the box. I'm back in love!!

I hear the arguements against and I always swore blind I wouldn't buy an auto until disability took over but now, I'd never go back (even if I had the choice). I suppose, if you want the best of both worlds (auto and T4), you have to take the odd chance!!

Happy New Year (My first post of 2008!!!)

Jamie.

Jim Doodle
08-01-08, 19:52
I Have an auto, probably due for an oil change. It wouldn't have been my first choice, but probably saved 500 at he time of purchase, and it is a dream to drive, fingers crossed it doesn't die. Do they give warning signs if they start to give up?

TDI Dave
08-01-08, 21:27
I Have an auto, probably due for an oil change. It wouldn't have been my first choice, but probably saved 500 at he time of purchase, and it is a dream to drive, fingers crossed it doesn't die. Do they give warning signs if they start to give up?

I was in a crud mood (post earlier) im sorry 1500 quid i was saving towards getting the kitchen sorted (like a bomb site) has now gotta replace the auto box:(

But they are a dream to drive ! when they are working

Basicly it starts to slip slightly just like a slipping clutch in a 5 speed normal box
I presume you can limit the damage by getting it repaired rather than reconditioned ,if you catch it early enuff

Get the oil done every 40k an filter

The vw sevice history i have every 10k from new states my box oil was done at 40k and then never since ! so thats 123k later with no oil change
I thought vw would have just done it but how wrong can you be !
they tell me the oil gets too hot when its old

Jim Doodle
08-01-08, 21:31
The vw sevice history i have every 10k from new states my box oil was done at 40k and then never since ! so thats 123k later with no oil change I thought vw would have just done it but how wrong can you be !they tell me the oil gets too hot when its old

Sorry to here that! no one likes those nasty suprises, my ****ty corsa needs a new fuel pump which the main dealers quoted 3000! for. Crazy. salvaged the part myself just need to get it fitted next payday.

Better get mine auto oil changed now i think! No idea when it was last done, the service history is in Japanese! has 56k on the clock, so it could be overdue.

Bodhi
08-01-08, 22:05
My latest one is a 2.5tdi auto, i love it and i really wish got one a long time ago. I haven't noticed much difference in fuel between this one and the 2.5 tdi manual i had before it.:ILU:

jets
08-01-08, 22:28
Mine is a 2.5TDI 102 auto with camper conversion. On a trip @ constant 110km/hr I would average 33/34 mpg. The top gear is locked up on these trans so mpg figures should be much the same as a manual. The 5th gear in a manual is slightly higher geared & that is where the difference might be.
I treat my trans as a bit fragile,[from what I have read] & at 115000 km is going perfectly.I am carefull when I take off & after removing my foot of the brake I try not to just jump on the pedal to avoid the sudden jarring engagement.[hope that makes sense] I did my first oil change & around 100k & the oil was very dark but thankfully no bits in sump.

russh
09-01-08, 18:37
Just agree with most of the sentiments before. I find the auto great. Makes driving such a laid back experience, brilliant in traffic, and as stated not to manic on the motorway due to the mechanical lock-up in top.

I find the changes pretty smooth too.

We constantly get over 30mpg out of it, that's on a 102bhp 2.5 camper pop-top.

I can't comment on reliability as we're only upto 30K miles.

Jim Doodle
09-01-08, 22:07
The top gear is locked up on these trans so mpg figures should be much the same as a manual.

What is locked up? I don't know much about the technical sid eof the auto box?

jets
10-01-08, 07:54
In earlier autos the torque converter always had some slip. On some GM trans there was only 2 speeds with the torque converter providing the slip to enable the engine to perform properly. In the interests of better performance & economy the auto designers have installed more & more gears & provided lockup of the converter under certain conditions. This is common nowadays to improve fuel consumption.

Jim Doodle
10-01-08, 08:49
This might sound stupid but i don't know how to shift my auto into the locked first and second modes. I have done it a few times accidentally, but when i get to a big hill, and hence don't want to drive on the brakes I don't know how to do it?

go-ferret
10-01-08, 08:59
This might sound stupid but i don't know how to shift my auto into the locked first and second modes. I have done it a few times accidentally, but when i get to a big hill, and hence don't want to drive on the brakes I don't know how to do it?
simply nudge the stick back into 3rd, 2nd or even first if you're going that slow.
i accidentally nudge the stick back into 3rd when i'm on the motorway with my calf sometimes...sends the revs racing and makes me wonder what the hell's going on for a second or two.

nothing to it. :ILU:

drooper
10-01-08, 15:52
as ferret said,just move the lever into whatever cog you desire but dont squeeze the button like you do to move out of park,i just found that out yesterday and i have had my van a year now!!!dohLOL:LOL:LOL:

Jim Doodle
10-01-08, 20:08
as ferret said,just move the lever into whatever cog you desire but dont squeeze the button like you do to move out of park,i just found that out yesterday and i have had my van a year now!!!dohLOL:LOL:LOL:

Think that what i am doing wrong! squeezing! I am going for a drive to check!

Just got form my spin round the block, I feel like an idiot for not knowing! unsurprisingly it worked a treat!

Rhosneigr Gaz
11-01-08, 15:57
I've just paid up for my new 2000 Velle 102bhp Auto, will report tommorow!

tony c
11-01-08, 18:23
Hope you enjoy it Rhosneigr Gaz!
I've had similar experience to others here; A 2004 102tdi auto from new, gearbox failed at 30,000m and was replaced under warranty - apparently at a cost of over 2000.
Nervertheless, I'm keeping it and hope to find an auto specialist to care tenderly for the 'box!
Fuel consumption similar to others - low 30's, and it's sooo easy to use.
Tony

Rhosneigr Gaz
11-01-08, 18:28
Cheers Tony, and welcome, just saw it was ur first post!

I went on the test drive and couldn't believe the explosion that happened when i went from cruising at 40 mph to foot flat down, seems to be a fair bit of grunt there! Maybe thats cause my current, sorry OLD van, is a 60 bhp no turbo 1.9!

Thanks again!

mcjjordan
22-06-08, 13:07
DONT DO IT !!!!!

my velle 200 tdi had 250,000 miles when i got it and it had had 4 auto boxes and i got it cheap as it needed another.........
also there is a silly pressure switch under neath that when you press brakes cuts drive and puts it in neutral (probably so box lasts more than a week) anyway when you take foot off brake you roll back about 2 foot before it gets drive and then your revving the nuts off it so it wheelspins...first thing then disconnect this and it drives much nicer..
secondly it will only start every now and again due to inhibitor being on the blink------solution run wire from starter so you can put it on battery to start
also has no oil cooler only a heater??????so when box gets hot/worked hard sticks in gear/gears or just doesnt engage...
and you get about 25mpg
even went to vw to check oil etc they said it was fine??????


solution-- rip the lot out throw in bit fit manual
now over 300,000 miles no problems at all been all over country never missed a beat
does over 37mpg and goes like stink
so much quicker than auto
would never ever go down the auto route ever again........useless

Jim Doodle
08-08-08, 17:48
Hey MCJ,

How much did the transplant cost you?

banty
08-08-08, 19:54
hi i have run a 2.5 petrol auto for the last 2 years with no problems i love it so much i have just bought another but i am getting it converted to lpg at the www.vw-shop.co.uk
cheers ian