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As the title says really:

Basically, eldest going up to big school in Sept'.
Did the 'choose your three top schools' thingy.
1st choice = ace school, 2nd choice = good school...
...all other schools in area no good at all so was a case of best of bad bunch for choice 3.

Predictably: only got offered choice No 3 (other schools massively over subsribed, this one, spare places!).

So....want to appeal of course but this is where we're well and truly stuck. In my experience of dealing with Independent Review Panels/School Boards/Loacal Authority etc; unless you put something pretty well cast iron as a reason for appeal, they will just chuck it out...with all the others.

Therefore: I need advice or pointers on where I can go and get it on how to word the appeal and/or what sort of criteria will be actually taken on as valid ground for appeal!

Anyone with any tangible experience or knowledge on this (even fellow parents who've been through similar), we would be truly grateful of your kind wisdom!:ILU::ILU::ILU:
 

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when you say the 3rd school is ar5e is it really???
As a teacher I applied for a job in the school where I am now working,which has a "bad" reputation.

however now I am working there, the general opinion if the school is totally wrong. yes there are some bad kids (and some bad teachers) but the good kids are fantastic. Several applying for oxbridge, a few going into medicine etc etc.


I have no trust in league tables (they are scrapped in wales) as they give a false impression of the school in question. our head was having kittens after last years results as they were worse than the year before. Nothing to do with the quality of the teaching but all to do with a bad year group (still lots of A*-C from the good kids but a few leaving with nowt)

It might be the making of your children, they could thrive there rather than becoming one of the norm in the other schools.

as for the appeals process, sorry I have not dealt with it.
 

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Chances are its catchment zones are you closest to the third school.

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Actually t'aint as simple as that; we are in the atchment zone for all three but that said the 3rd choice one is physically the nearest, and the roughest, and such poor Offstead results they aint even pubished any since 2006!!!!! AnD that's saying something....all the other ones local were even worse!
 

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when you say the 3rd school is ar5e is it really???
As a teacher I applied for a job in the school where I am now working,which has a "bad" reputation.

however now I am working there, the general opinion if the school is totally wrong. yes there are some bad kids (and some bad teachers) but the good kids are fantastic. Several applying for oxbridge, a few going into medicine etc etc.


I have no trust in league tables (they are scrapped in wales) as they give a false impression of the school in question. our head was having kittens after last years results as they were worse than the year before. Nothing to do with the quality of the teaching but all to do with a bad year group (still lots of A*-C from the good kids but a few leaving with nowt)

It might be the making of your children, they could thrive there rather than becoming one of the norm in the other schools.

as for the appeals process, sorry I have not dealt with it.

Thanks LB; appriciate your philosphical angle on that very much, we really do: that said we don't feel a kid will necassarily be a 'norm' just becase they go to a good school. In fact the 3rd choice shcool is pretty good at the more acedemic basics but has a terrible art department and dated technology department (when I went to school, a school was a school; now they all this academy or that academy, specialising in certain fields). My kids are all strong in art/design etc.....They are much more analytical than accidental recall that the current mainstream educational system tends to emphasise. THIS is why I prefer the other school....that and the fact that the 3rd choice one is very old and dated and seem to have spent none of their budget on things like the library or modernising the computer suite etc....I've also interviewed lots of parent who send their kids there and one consitent report is that they have a rubbish ani-bullying policy (no excuse for that htese days). So it ain't a case of being a snob....I know a strong child with good supportive parents and caring teachers in any school can do well.....but you will just increase their chances of being happy and therefore productive in their learning environment if the ethos and drive of the given school is more in symmetry with the childs own induvidual needs and make up.

Hope that paints a bit more of an accurate picture of where we're coming from....any other practical advice or tips you can give us as someone on the inside, much appriciated.

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Ah I see you are a parent who actually cares about their child's education A:A:A:

there are fewer and fewer of you around.

completely agree with you on the lack of investment and the anti bullying policy and not for one second was I suggesting you have anything to do with being a snob. In fact it is very encouraging to read informed thoughts of a parent rather than seeing them choose the school based on where the "jones'" are sending their kids.

I will ask tomorrow if there is any advice I can find out for you.
All the best with the appeal though.:gl
 

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Surfdaddy,

Can't get a pm thro' to ya buddy. If you wanna discuss any angles to take then pm me, even if just a contact number? As I said, I have won an appeal but I have also sat on an appeals board as part of a parent/teacher partnership!!! How they work, what buttons to press, what not to say. Can't guarantee you will be successful but can only try. Ultimately the childs welfare is the key you need to unlock and demonstate positive and negative welfare implications between what your allocated and what you want. Very wrong that you have to do it that way but theres a whole lot wrong with they way things are done in society.

One major issue that can scupper any appeal is if the school has been placed in special measures. The effictively gives them the right to refuse entry to any new pupils even if that year is under subscribed until they have made the necessary improvements that have been recommended.

All school have a strength quota for each year which is published on the loal education authority website, which will also show you their current holding in a given year. This will highlight if they are under special measures too. Ring the schol of choice and spea to the head of year and the person responsible for new entrants, see if this information tallies up. Don't whatever you do have it out with them there and then if theres and differences, you are only gathering information to support you welfare based case!!!!
 

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Hey Marty.....sorry mate, almost looks like I'm ungreatful don't it. Thing is since i've been relegated to an unregisteed member my p.m doesn't work at all now, I clear it but it still tells me it's full I've just discovered. Would you be a mate and post p.m to my email address instead?

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Cheers matey!:ILU:T::ILU:T::ILU:T:
 

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hey, I work for the educaiton dep and the youth justice service, I appeal clients expulsions and suspensions all the time, NOT an easy job. I don't have any experience in appealing school placements as it works a bit differently in Wales but here we have an indipendant organisation that work on behalf of families who have complaints/ appeals etc against the council. I'd go down that route if I were you. The council are going to have a lot of people who want to appeal and chances are you won't get what you want as our fighting their agenda, but an indipendant complaints/ appeals organisation will really fight your corner and know exactly what to do.
 

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hey, I work for the educaiton dep and the youth justice service, I appeal clients expulsions and suspensions all the time, NOT an easy job. I don't have any experience in appealing school placements as it works a bit differently in Wales but here we have an indipendant organisation that work on behalf of families who have complaints/ appeals etc against the council. I'd go down that route if I were you. The council are going to have a lot of people who want to appeal and chances are you won't get what you want as our fighting their agenda, but an indipendant complaints/ appeals organisation will really fight your corner and know exactly what to do.

Cheers....looked into this; they want between £450 and £900 just to prepare an appeal statement for you.....exploitation?!:eek:
 

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just won an appeal for my daughter, had to go in front of the board, an trio of independent people that sit on these appeals on a regular basis.
the school they had offered was 14 mile away but this was the second nearest school, in a similar state to your own, not very good.
they said she would travel by taxi.

i went with a A3 print out of the local map, with the routes highlighted.
the school representative put forward a case that the school was only built for 900 children and there was now 1150 him saying that it is now overcrowded.

i straight away stopped them in their tracks saying that the other 250 over subscribed children hadn't had to go to appeal so what was the difference, i was trying to get him to say that the cut off was 1150, he wouldn't.

explain that your daughters friends are going to a certain school and that she doesn't make friends easily, use the magic words like " she's getting stressed at home and not sleeping"

the board will no doubt have the pupils best interest at heart.

this, in my case was enough to win the appeal

god luck.
 

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Above absolutely right Jay. As already mentioned, Welfare, welfare and then somemore welfare and social development is the heart of your appeal, everything else such as friends, travel, quality/suitability of learning environment ie the logical stuff are there as a secondary measure. The welfare gives them the reason to justify giving into the logic. If that makes sense?

SurfD - Will have a more thoro' read thro' yer email later, Only had time for a quick skim read this morning.
 

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Thanks again for all the good knowledge so far everyone .....been tinkering with the letter for few days now....got to get finished version done tomorrow.......nearly there!:eek::ILU:
 

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UPDATE:

Cheers again so far everyone: Gone past 1st stage appeal and doing the important big 2nd stage one this week.

Getting a bit fatigued with it all now though......hard to keep the fight in us.

Any 11th hour bright ideas or bits of advice greatly appriciated!:eek:
 

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If you want to file the right appeal, you need to turn to the professionals. Because you raised a very important topic and you need to be really confident in your actions. I can advise you xxxspamxxx , they very quickly and efficiently do their job. I used their services more than once.
I wish when people decide to spam a forum, they pick on a topic less than 10 years old! c'mon, is it that hard to make an effort?
 
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