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I think the 1.9td is getting some bad rep here.

Totally agree, I know I havent had my T4 long and make no secret of that, but from the driving I have done in it, yeah its no sports car... but then again, I did buy a van! So far where ever I drive it I seem to be able to cruise along keeping up with traffic no problem and get great fuel consumption where ever I seem to be...
 

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Bear in mind "officially" we are only allowed to do 50 on all single carriageway roads, which also gives far better mpg than 60
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true if your van is still registered as a panel van, if youve had side windows fitted it can be reclassified as an mpv or if fully camper converted you can get it treclassified as a camper - both of which make you exempt from the stupid LEZ emission rulings, and reduce your insurance and the cost of ferry crossings etc.

ive driven the 1,9td, 2.4d and a 2.5tdi (88bhp only) as well as the converted 1,9tdi and given the choice would have the 2.5 if i had to have one in standard trim.

the 2.4 pulls a bit better up the hills than the 1.9td does i guess because of the extra capacity and torque the 5th cylinder gives.
 

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true if your van is still registered as a panel van, if youve had side windows fitted it can be reclassified as an mpv or if fully camper converted you can get it treclassified as a camper
I agree you could have it re-registered but this doesnt mean you are allowed to drive faster. The law states that vans under 3.5 tonnes can do 50 on a single carriageway, 60 on a dual and 70 on a motorway. The only exceptions are vans derived from a car chassis, such as a vw caddy, ford escort van, vauxhall combo (corsa) van etc. Re-registering as an MPV or Motorhome is all very well to get cheaper insurance etc but the speed law remains the same i'm afraid Rasp:
 

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Re-registering as an MPV or Motorhome is all very well to get cheaper insurance etc but the speed law remains the same i'm afraid
Are you sure ?



Speed limits for motorhomes

VOSA statement on speed limits for motorhomes (2007):

"Regarding speed limits, provided the motor homes are "motor caravans" then they are subject to pasenger vehicle speed limits, which are 70 mph on a motorway or dual carriageway and 60mph on other roads unless a lower speed limit applies, provided the unladen weight (not MAM) is not over 3050 kg.
If the UW is over 3050 kg then the speed limits are 70 mph on a motorway, 60 mph dual carriageway and 50 mph on other roads."
 

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My 2000 88hp 2.5 when it was standard struggled to maintain 70mph up any type of hill and it went every where with my foot flat on the floor and returned approx 25 - 27mpg. In fact on one trip into the Alps it was painful!

Modded with injectors, intercooler etc etc and re-map it now puts out 135bhp and and returns on average 30mpg but, and it is a big but, it will now climb the side of a mountain at 80mph and does not slow down at all on 99% of hills. Only place I have to change out of top gear on a dual carriageway is heading up into the Alps.

All in all the 2.5 is quite expensive to own as the belts cost £500 to change with waterpump and tensioners etc as well as the cost of fitting clutches as it is a BIG job.

I'm not familier with the TDI in the van but the 1.9 130hp TDI in an audi estate is a good engine so would probably be a good bet.

Horses for courses in my mind. T:
 

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I agree you could have it re-registered but this doesnt mean you are allowed to drive faster. The law states that vans under 3.5 tonnes can do 50 on a single carriageway, 60 on a dual and 70 on a motorway. The only exceptions are vans derived from a car chassis, such as a vw caddy, ford escort van, vauxhall combo (corsa) van etc. Re-registering as an MPV or Motorhome is all very well to get cheaper insurance etc but the speed law remains the same i'm afraid Rasp:
Not true

the Caravelle has the same speed rating as a car and that is derived from a vanT:

If you have your van re-classified as an MPV or camper then the speed limits are exactly the same as a car
 

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!999 2.5TDI blue i, Converted and now registered as a motorhome, very fast, maintains its speed going up hills, I have always since air filter change and cleaning the egr (see my pictures) get a very good 35 mpg around town at the least, and I drive down to lymington every other weekend, and with speeds or 70mph get 35-40 mpg, i do not care what it says in any book, as i have checked and double checked using differant methods ! so very pleased, and often get idiots at the lights revving and trying to pull off before me and 7 out of 10 times they get a nasty shock as i wave them good bye !
 

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I think the 1.9td is getting some bad rep here. My 1.9td abl pulls just fine, its not a sports car but its certainly not too gutless for its purpose. Bear in mind "officially" we are only allowed to do 50 on all single carriageway roads, which also gives far better mpg than 60 especially with the standard 5th gear ratio. I appreciate that if you were to carry a baby elephant in the back you might lose speed on a big long hill but just change down and ignore the foolish bmw driver on your bumper Rasp:

I've driven the 2.4 which didnt feel all that different but I have no experience of the 2.5tdi which i'm sure is lovely in its own right
I have a 1.9TD which I have slapped an intercooler on, blanked the EGR and tweeked the boost and fuel injection. Also put a new exhaust system on it and an induction kit.

I use this for towing my 17ft catamaran to competitions and have no problem on hills anymore. I did when it was stock. All these mods set me back around £600 and she is a total dream to drive. Boat and trailer probably weigh around 700kg
 

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I got a 1.9td with a high camper roof attached and all the weight of a factory fitted camper conversion. Even on mixed driving i get 38mpg don't think iv ever got to the low 30's even on driving through north wales and scotland for a few hundred miles...reg return 600-660 on a full tank iv had more on runs with a light foot. But on mine especially with high camper roof and conversion it is gutless and dies a slow death on hills. Saying that it runs well and is cheap so I'm not going to complain. If i wanted something fast id go back to my mitsubishi with a 3 litre tdi engine that did 22mpg.
 

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I have been a VW enthusiast forever it seems, I just bought a 1997 Panel Van with a 2.4d 5spd. I am using it for work and have it full of tools and parts.

It is slow, and I compare this to my 81 Vanagon T3 Westy aircooled wasserboxer. 55 mph seems to be the ideal/maximum cruising speed and it takes about 60 seconds to get there.

My wife's New Beetle 1.9TDI which has a few performance mods is quite impressive and I would like to have even a small bit of that performance in the van.

I think the torque from the 5 cyl engines is something to build around and would be more inclined to get a 2.5TD or TDI.
 

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Ive got an '02 1.9td and its no bother to drive T:
Mind you i drive our lasses passat cc 170 jobbie like i stole it I:
Buy the best you can afford and love it, treat it to nice things (oil and filters) and enjoy a slower scenic route in life, but mind out for tosspots in black cc's.....:ILU:
 

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I never had to change gear in my 88 even on the Pennine motorways.
Since having it mapped over a year ago I can accelerate like a train even up the steepest hills from Manchester.
In fact sometimes you keep having to take the foot off the gas as the speed creeps without you noticing.
The godsend of cruise control is also a great bonus on the 2.5.
Stick it in cruise them nip in the back to make a cup of tea. I:
 

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2001 2.5tdi ACV.(102 bhp).133000 on the ticker.....Empty with just me driving..
Was a little disappointed at getting around 28ish mpg locally around town,.... but had to disappear to the big smoke for a long weekend to see my son... cant remember exact figures cos it was all written and calculated abot 6 months ago and i lost the slip..
Total trip was around 620 miles.. mostly motorway except for around 60 miles.... average speed 65mph.. consumption was 39mpg and that was brimmed tank to brimmed tank.. so I was well and truly happy...
Standard engine.... but yes, it does start to lag a bit on a long hill wich is disappointing...
also my turbo dont kick in til about 2100 rev, whereas my mates does at about 1850.... is that normal???
 

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Your turbo is constantly spinning it's only when the inlet manifold pressure increases above the natural air pressure do you feel that boost.
Turbo lag as you are describing can be caused by something as simple as the grade of oil or at worst sign the turbo is worn. Excessive end float (sideways wear) can actually cause the turbines to catch on the turbo casting. When this happens you can usually hear a sort of tinkling sound & the friction causes the lag.
 

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2.5 tdi 102 bhp stoc over a 1.9 td anytime....however, stick a 1.9tdi AFN from a golf mk3 or passat b4 and the game changes, easy to tune and frugal as well. If you're after torque and like tinkering then 2.5 tdi ACV 102 bhp is relatively easy to upgrade, 0.216 nozzles and remap will take you to rapid car performance. Add a hybrid turbo and a 3bar map senzor and 0.260 bosio race nozzles and it becomes a hot hatch minus handling and braking...you then look at fmic, larger brakes and eibach rear springs and lower front antiroll bars...you then want sticky tyres, 16'' alloy wheels as a min to accomodate 313mm vr6 brakes and when you finished with it you get bored with the old van and buy a t5 or t6 and you start all over...this is modding for you and how you catch the bug !
 
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