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Ok guys - VW Camshaft Vs Darkside Developments Vs a n other?
Anyone with any experience or miles under their belts with either?
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Ok guys - VW Camshaft Vs Darkside Developments Vs a n other?
Anyone with any experience or miles under their belts with either?
Cheers.
If you have an AXD or AXE engine I would use Lymm Engine Components, I did my cam a few months back and after lots of research Darkside, Lymm and AW Engineering all get there cams from Estas (cam may come in a GT automotive box).
http://www.lymmengineparts.co.uk/camshaft-kits/vw-volkswagen-2-5-tdi-pd-camshaft-kit-070109101P
 

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Ok guys - VW Camshaft Vs Darkside Developments Vs a n other?
Anyone with any experience or miles under their belts with either?
Cheers.
Sorry should add 07 2.5 130 - BNZ engine I think.

Thanks for that - is food for thought. Rather go with recommended than cheapest.
 

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Sorry should add 07 2.5 130 - BNZ engine I think.

Thanks for that - is food for thought. Rather go with recommended than cheapest.
If you want to pay more for the exact same cam then buy from Darkside or AW Engineering.

I was actually going to buy my kit from Darkside but when I spoke to Estas cams they gave me a list of other dealers of there cams and Lymm, AW and Darkside were all on there.
I know it's the same cam as Darkside even sent Estas an email complaining that they had told me who supplies there cams.

May be someone that has had a Darkside T5 2.5 cam will confirm it came in a GT Automotive box.

Estas and GT Automotive is the same company, same address etc:-
http://www.estascamshafts.co.uk/
http://www.standard.gtcamshafts.com/home
 

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That's brill, thanks for that Martin.

Our garage has asked a few other garages (VW specialists not dealers) and they have recommended that we have a VW one fitted but as this is going to obviously cost us a bob or 2 regardless I want to make sure we're fitting the right thing.
Someone else had said that VW cam shafts were "made of cheese" so I wondered if they were worth the extra money if this was the case. About £50 dearer for the VW one which in the grand scheme of things means nothing, but it's a lot for a lump of cheese!
 

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That's brill, thanks for that Martin.

Our garage has asked a few other garages (VW specialists not dealers) and they have recommended that we have a VW one fitted but as this is going to obviously cost us a bob or 2 regardless I want to make sure we're fitting the right thing.
Someone else had said that VW cam shafts were "made of cheese" so I wondered if they were worth the extra money if this was the case. About £50 dearer for the VW one which in the grand scheme of things means nothing, but it's a lot for a lump of cheese!
First thing I would ask your garage is do they have the timing tools to do a cam in a T5 2.5.

From memory VW will charge more for just the cam as I paid for the complete kit.
Looking on the GT Automotive site part no. GT1058041 is listed for AXD , BNZ , AXE , BPC , BLJ, this is the cam I bought from Lymm in September and it's a proper steel cam ie not cast, Lymm also supply the proper INA black top tapets in the kit.
I did buy all genuine VW bolts from Darkside as they were slightly cheaper than me going direct to TPS.

PS. I work on Diesel engines most days at work and I would never recommend a product that I wouldn't be happy to use on my own vehicles.
 

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Slightly concerning that GT sell a common cam and VW have one cam for non DPF and a reprofiled cam for the DPF equipped BNZ and BPC engines?

http://www.partsbase.org/vw/transporter-tr-eu-2008-7h-8-000-001-7h-8-200-000-10940-camshaft-valves/
I did think the same, why does VW list two cams and GT Automotive only list one. I actually have an AXD with no DPF so the OE VW no. on there site was right for me.
May be worth the OP giving them a call but I know for sure they also supply Darkside and AW Engineering with T5 2.5 cams.
 

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I wonder if that would that much of a difference for the later engine :* the bnz engine I have recently changed the head on appeared to have a different profile on the injector lobe. I maybe wrong but its still a pd engine with a mechanical means of increasing the pressure for the injector, is it only the software which fires the injector so it maybe be the same camshaft.
 

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JUST AN UPDATE FOR YOU ALL.

Just spoken to Estas/ GT Automotive and there is a mistake on there website, GT1058086 is the part number you need for the steel BNZ, BPC cam and it's listed lower down the VW page.
 

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I wonder if that would that much of a difference for the later engine :* the bnz engine I have recently changed the head on appeared to have a different profile on the injector lobe. I maybe wrong but its still a pd engine with a mechanical means of increasing the pressure for the injector, is it only the software which fires the injector so it maybe be the same camshaft.
The later engines have a revised profile to allow the PD injector to operate during the exhaust blowdown and set fire to the DPF to force a regen.
 

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The later engines have a revised profile to allow the PD injector to operate during the exhaust blowdown and set fire to the DPF to force a regen.
It does make sense, I have never actually looked at the DPF version of this cam but I guess the injector cam lobe may have a much lower lift second nose on it?.

Going back to the original thread, if I was in the OP's position I would buy the Estas/GT Automotive steel cam kit from Lymm Engine Components and Quote the later part no. I have listed on this thread as we know now it's the right one from his engine.

The other bits you can get from TPS/Darkside etc:-
Tandem pump gasket
Head and crankcase seals where the timing tools go in.
Cam cap Bolts
Rocker Bolts
Cam diamond locking washer
Cam gear wheel bolt
Idler gear wheel bolt
There may be some more bits.
 

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The later engines have a revised profile to allow the PD injector to operate during the exhaust blowdown and set fire to the DPF to force a regen.
Everdays a school day :)
 

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Wow boys you've lost me, however I will pass all of this into the garage, and am extremely grateful for your hell and advice.
 

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Wow boys you've lost me, however I will pass all of this into the garage, and am extremely grateful for your hell and advice.
Has your garage got the correct timing tools to do this job?.
This engine was only used for a limited time in the T5 and Touareg so not many garages buy the timing tools, I tried several VW specialists for quotes and some of them didn't have the tools to do the job.
I had quotes from £1200-£2000, I ended up using Festas timing tools and did the job myself, still cost me around £600 in parts.
 
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