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Is my turbo actuator working? T4 ABL (Video)

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1.7K views 11 replies 3 participants last post by  stevey83  
#1 · (Edited)
Been having a look it it today, and not really sure how its supposed to work. Is it supposed to move on start up, or only when a certain pressure is reached? I released the arm on mine today, and found that it was actually quite stiff to move. After a bit of a spray and using some pliers i did manage to get it moving. However, i have noticed that although the part that connects to the arm is moving, the actual shaft isnt. (I marked the left side with blue ink which doesnt move). What i need to know is, is that the shaft, or just a collar the shaft passes through?

I do have a turbo gauge but i dont have it fitted. Is that the easiest way to tell?

Any advice appreciated.

@dossbag calling you in on this you seem pretty clued up on this engine!

 
#2 ·
@dossbag calling you in on this you seem pretty clued up on this engine!
Thanks for the vote of confidence, appreciated, my "clued up-ness" however only generally extends really to the bits I've actually fiddled about with myself, a reasonable understanding of mechanics and physics, trial and error and a bit of common sense, get me on the fine details and electronics and I'm out of my depth, there's plenty of people on this forum way more advanced and knowledgeable than I am. but thanks anyway.
That's the waste gate you're fiddling with in the vid, it prevents overspool in the turbo by releasing pressure when it gets too high, the actuator and arm operates from the pressure that builds up in the air intake system immediately after the turbo via a small rubber tube.
I was also puzzling about the actuator a while back as I'd never seen it move either, then I realised if I gave it a quick blast of air from a high pressure air line into the rubber tube I might see some response, which I tried and sure enough it worked, the actuator, arm and waste gate was working.
I don't know as to how much pressure the actuator will actually withstand, so the blast of air I gave it was very quick and short, just in case, just enough to see some movement, it might even be possible to get some movement with a bicycle pump, can't say for sure though.
Your boost gauge, if and when you decide to instal it, can be tapped off via a "nipple" located on the air intake manifold which sits just on the bend of the metal section immediatly after the rubber section from the turbo, just before the EGR valve (if you still have the EGR fitted).
Good luck, have fun with it!
 
#3 ·
As he say’s really……
The waste gate is just a flap that opens and dumps the pressure off down the exhaust side, it simply stops over pressure in the charge side of the turbo.

What your clip proves is that the arm is moving, unfortunately nothing else!

Pic below shows the flap behind the arm that you are moving, this turbo in the pic was removed as it was fubar and you can see this by all the cracking around the whole unit, even with the gate shut, this one wouldn’t have been able to build up any pressure.
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#4 · (Edited)
Thanks fellas, ive done a bit more reading up on it this afternoon. Ill try what you said dossbag and shoot some air into the actuator and see if it moves. The only thing neither of you answered though, was what part is supposed to move?! The shaft going down doesnt move, but the top part does. Is this correct?

EDIT
I just played back my video, and can hear the the end points in the movement, so im guessing it is moving the gate underneath.
 
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The only thing neither of you answered though, was what part is supposed to move?! The shaft going down doesnt move, but the top part does. Is this correct?
Ah, also, misunderstood, yes it's difficult to make out in your video if the shaft is moving.
Just watched it again, with sound, it sounds like it's working, would think if that top flat piece was loose it would probably turn 360°, or at least more than it does.
Just wondering now if that's actually a sleeve that the shaft to the gate is inside of, would actually make sense thinking about it.
The more I watch the video the more I'm convinced that outer part you marked blue is a sleeve for the shaft.
 
#9 ·
It must also be noted that the gate does not move as far as it has in my picture, mine has been stripped to find the problem (I like to find the problem rather than just bung bits on and hope)
Whilst the turbo is all together the gate will only open a small way before hitting the casing.
Have you pressurised the actuator and see if that moves it when it ia all connected, it wont take much pressure, usually a hard blow down the pipe is enough to prove that it is working, about 10psi should be enough to move the spring. There is a diaphragm inside this unit, if this is split then it wont work.