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Hello fellow T4 owners,

It’s nearly two years since owning a T4 and we’ve had so much fun from doing DIY basic conversion to a weeklong camping in the Continent and everything in between.

We are quite happy with the current set up and we are certain we won't do any further modifications:






We like this set-up because we can still get two bikes wedged next to the seats and lots of space for camping (we take IKEA KALLAX with us for storage, secured by eyelet bolts I put on the side panel crossbeam).

It’s not a “camper conversion” by DVLA’s definition so we’re not registering it as a camper. However, it’s not quite a “panel van” either, though that is the current Body Type on V5 form. It’s probably worth mentioning that the RnR bed is from Cannon’s Forge and I have the “Architectural Ironwork Fitting Certificate” (though no mention of M1 pull-test standard). Hadrests and seatbelts are there and tested in the last two MOTs. The number of seats has already been updated to five.

I searched for an option for changing the vehicle body type to something other than "panel van" or "motor camper" and this is what I came across:
DVLA Have Registered My T4 As An MPV

T4 Panel Van to MPV - A definitive guide anywhere?

I think changing to MPV might suit our needs. I’m assuming that if it becomes an MPV then I can get an ordinary car insurance as to “modified van” specialist insurance.

The threads above are dated back in 2011 and 2013, respectively, so I wondered if anyone had a recent success in re-registering similarly converted panel van to MPV body type.

Has anybody re-registered their panel van to MPV recently?

Many thanks and happy motoring!
 

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Hi,

I self converted a panel van this year, added side windows, triple bench seat & seat belts (all DIY), for a change of V5 I filled in some basic form, sent in before & after photos, my V5 was changed to "Panel van/side windows" "6 seats".
My insurance policy is with Makerstudy which allow for modifications.
 

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Thanks wayne,

Do you remember which form you had to fill out for the changes?

All I can find on DVLA is the procedure for re-registering van as a motor camper (which I’m not doing). I cannot find anything about re-registering from a panel van to a MPV or “window van”.
 

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Thanks wayne,

Do you remember which form you had to fill out for the changes?

All I can find on DVLA is the procedure for re-registering van as a motor camper (which I’m not doing). I cannot find anything about re-registering from a panel van to a MPV or “window van”.
defever, why not just phone them, personally I have always found them super helpful, and over all my years in the motor industry have had to deal with them A LOT! You will get the info first hand that way.

Off subject slightly, I had booked to fly to Zimbabwe on Christmas Day some years ago. I needed some changes on my licence, applied in what I thought was enough time, but on the return journey it got lost in the post; and too late to post again. They invited me to collect one personally, a long round trip but I did it. My licence was 'handwritten for me, and then I was invited into the canteen for a Christmas dinner; before the journey home. The amount of military road check points at which I had to show that licence during the few months out there was unbelievable, without it I would have been 'stuffed' ....... so thanks again DVLA T:T:
 

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Thanks scruffy,

I had a spare time this afternoon so I did just as you suggested. I called DVLA and spoke to an operator whose information was consistent with what I already knew (which is good).

He suggested to fill in the V5 form (I just wrote MPV under Section 7 “Changes to Vehicle”), include photographic evidence (including those above and few more) and send the document to the DVLA address on the form. I also included a polite cover letter describing my request.

Also, thanks for the link above. I had a look a while ago and checked again before calling; it’s a bit general and nothing specific about how to go about re-registering. It doesn’t even mention about dual-purpose vehicle (as a haulage and passenger vehicle, which has been attempted previously on the links I posted above), nor required for body type changes. But it helped me to write the cover letter with the correct “choice of words” to make the case.

Let’s see what the response to my letter will be. I will post an update (in a month time when I receive a new V5C form).
 

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Thanks wayne,

Do you remember which form you had to fill out for the changes?

All I can find on DVLA is the procedure for re-registering van as a motor camper (which I’m not doing). I cannot find anything about re-registering from a panel van to a MPV or “window van”.

Apologies for the slow reply....been busy having a life off forums LOL! By the sound of things you have probably sorted it all by now.

Anyway in my case I sent off just my V5 for a change in seat quantity 3-6, also on the V5 section 7 "Changes to current vehicle" "Wheelplan body type" I just wrote "extra windows" & posted of the V5.....DVLA then sent me a form (mostly of irrelevant questions) so filled in , send in some before & after photos, a wait of a month and yipee a new V5 returned .
 

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Wonder how the mpv classification will effect the lez zone restrictions?
TFL has good info on their LEZ web pages.
The LEZ impact is quite amazing.
In the case of my factory built Caravelle the form filling moved it from incorrectly registered "minibus" an apparently dirty vehicle with £100 a day fees/fines to an "mpv" that was as free and clean as any other car. Minibus is commercial MPV is not.
At the time there were other prohibitions and fees in the pipeline for Euro 2 & 3 vehicles but I moved away and no longer drive into London, so not sure what is actually current.
 

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Yup, I did mine 6 weeks ago, used the online letter on the DVLA website:


[Insert Your Address]
[Insert Your Address]
[Insert Your Address]
[Insert Your Address]
[Insert Your PostCode]

[Insert Date]

DVLA
Swansea
SA99 1BA

Dear Sirs,

I am writing to request that my vehicle registration number [insert reg No.] is reclassified as a “Motor Caravan”. I have completed the conversion myself and am aware of your requirements for the vehicle to fit into the classification of “Motor Caravan”.

Please find a series of photographs enclosed showing details of the vehicle.

1. Front of Motor Caravan showing registration plate.
2. Rear of Motor Caravan again showing registration plate.
3. Interior detail showing seats and table in upright position. Please note the table bracket is permanently and securely fixed to the vehicle body.
4. Bed in sleeping position. Please note that this is made up from seat cushions used for seating during the day. The key elements of the bed base are permanently and securely fixed to the body of the vehicle. The bed is [insert length in feet and inches or mm] long.
5. Cooking facilities. The cooker is fuelled by [insert whichever applies but must be gas or electricity. If gas state that the piping is permanently fixed to the vehicle].
6. Storage cupboard.

Water is stored in a [insert details].

The conversion of the vehicle to a Motor Caravan was completed on [insert date].

I enclose my V5C document with section 7 “Changes to Current Vehicle” completed.

I trust that the enclosed photographs provide you with sufficient evidence to make the amendment to Body Type classification. If you require any further information please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours faithfully,


[insert name and sign above]

Added the required photo's and it came back within 2 weeks reclassified A:

Good luck with your re-classification
 

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Update.

It's officially an MPV on V5C form.

Out of curiosity, I just contacted Transport for London for LEZ compliance (it’s still subject to £100/day charge) whether they can update the vehicle detail. The response was that I need to register for the charging account (???), fill out a form (which is hidden deep in their website), and upload the form and a copy of V5C. Apparently, TfL does not receive vehicle details from DVLA anymore and it’s up to the vehicle owner to notify the changes.

The form is very generic and narrowly considers the following details of a vehicle:

EU emission standard (LEZ currently operates at min EURO 3 for “non-compliant” vehicles)
Unladen weight (1205kg seems to be some sort of a threshold for compliance)
Vehicle details at the time of manufacturing

Our T4 is ’98 ACV and it’s EURO 2 (pre-EURO 3 ACV). I have no idea what the unladen weight is for SWB T4 with RnR bed. No idea where the nearest weighbridge is, either.

I wasn’t expecting such a hassle. Previously, it seemed that fellow T4 owners who went through the “motor caravan” or “MPV” route simply had to call TfL to notify the changes and the detail was then changed within 5min, or was automatically updated a week or so later without any contact .

We happily manage with our lives not going into LEZ anyways. I might re-visit this just out of curiosity, over Christmas to see if the effort of filling out the form pays out in the end.

In short, a semi-converted T4 panel van (with two side windows and 5 seats) can be re-registered as an MPV.

Happy motoring!
 

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Update.

It's officially an MPV on V5C form.
My Caravelle is registered as a Minibus which is of course incorrect as it only has 9 seats incl the drivers. I tried to get it re-registered as an MPV but DVLA refused without a certificate from VW who were unsurprisingly not interested! Just the luck of the draw and a case of was the person in the DVLA having a good day or a bad day at the time!
 

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VW commercial did in the recent past offer support for people with vehicles that required correct registration.
DVLA also used to offer a very simple service to correct incorrectly registered vehicles, Many 6, 7, 8 seater Caravelles were incorrectly registered as minibuses rather than MPV. I understood these services also supported vehicles that had been converted such as Transporters to Campers or Caravelles.
I would suggest you try again with the DVLA in the first instance.
 

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My 2.5TDi (’98) is registered as MPV. There’s a lot of “blanks” on my V5C.

I can’t get into LEZ as it doesn’t meet the emission standard (says £100 per visit into the big smoke).

However, Darftord charge is £2.00 each way, which is the car charge (Classification B). Commercial vans are classification C and it’s something like £3.15 per crossing if you have an account.

I can cross the Chanel as “other” car, by stating the height and length.

Always been insured as “modified van” and not a camper (as it’s not a camper), but I might check what the insurance database states my T4 as on next insurance. I’ll check if it comes up on the usual comparison sites as a “car.”

Speed limit doesn’t bother me as I’m too cheap to drive over 60mph…
 

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Thanks scruffy,

I had a spare time this afternoon so I did just as you suggested. I called DVLA and spoke to an operator whose information was consistent with what I already knew (which is good).

He suggested to fill in the V5 form (I just wrote MPV under Section 7 “Changes to Vehicle”), include photographic evidence (including those above and few more) and send the document to the DVLA address on the form. I also included a polite cover letter describing my request.

Also, thanks for the link above. I had a look a while ago and checked again before calling; it’s a bit general and nothing specific about how to go about re-registering. It doesn’t even mention about dual-purpose vehicle (as a haulage and passenger vehicle, which has been attempted previously on the links I posted above), nor required for body type changes. But it helped me to write the cover letter with the correct “choice of words” to make the case.

Let’s see what the response to my letter will be. I will post an update (in a month time when I receive a new V5C form).
Dont suppose you still have a copy of your cover letter?
Cheers
 
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