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hello people

im sure if you have seen my progress thread you will have seen that i have now removed the front sub frame from the van for a tidy up and found that some of the bushes are shot so i thinking about replacing the whole lot with powerflex poly bushes but was after some advice from others that are using them as to if the £344.76 on bushes is really worth it over the standard items

my plan was to poly bush everything and run Bilstein B6 gas shocks but i would really like some advice/views on if its worth doing or not
 

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hello people

im sure if you have seen my progress thread you will have seen that i have now removed the front sub frame from the van for a tidy up and found that some of the bushes are shot so i thinking about replacing the whole lot with powerflex poly bushes but was after some advice from others that are using them as to if the £344.76 on bushes is really worth it over the standard items

my plan was to poly bush everything and run Bilstein B6 gas shocks but i would really like some advice/views on if its worth doing or not
OK, well have used poly type bushes in many performance vehicles over a long period of years.

I did consider this for my T4 in the past, but for a 'daily' they are quite harsh, once the novelty has worn off. Plus point is they are easier to fit, but they are certainly not there for life. Genuine VW bushes have proved very robust, with enough 'give' to not upset comfort (have now completed 26 years in T4's).

I have used Bilstein B6's on many vehicles (mainly Land Rover), but not on any T4's; and would confirm like many they are a nice choice. Many many years ago I used to commute across country in a 1.6 diesel Escort, with zero performance! Fitted B6's and low profile tyres, had no more performance, but the speed I could carry through the corners not only reduced the journey time, but made it a lot more fun too :D:D

Yes B6 gas over oil is fine (exactly what O.E. Sachs are); but my MV has always had heavy duty suspension (VW version of Sachs Super Touring). Ok the Sachs are oil only, but when I used to drive factory standard vehicles, I could not wait to get back in mine. Replaced them with the same, after 18 years, but bought Sachs (Super Touring / HD) from the aftermarket due to huge price difference.

Like so many things these days, purchases often become aspirational; so ultimately only you will make the choice. It's a bit like having the right lable / logo, my view is I only display it if someone is sponsoring me LOL:LOL:LOL:
 

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Why is a t4 polybush kit so expensive :*

I've 2 early landrover discovery 200tdi's (as well as my '95 t4 tdi, '87 Mk2 golf tdi, '89 B3 passat tdi etc.) and a full box kit is well less than £100, is it 'scene-tax' that adds £200+ :eek:

Also, in many years of rallying, both driving / navigating & building cars I've preferred standard manufacturers suspension bushes (ford, Talbot & Vauxhall. partly due to cost, also they had predictable reactions relative to geometry changes and repeatable 'handling')

Remember that OE rubbers are subject to higher standards, quality levels and expected lifespans than aftermarket I:

Before anyone suggests that I'm a killjoy, my t4 has a 1.9tdi conversion, modified & lowered suspension with B6 Bilstein shock absorbers / rear anti-roll bar and a few hours spent with 4-wheel alignment equipment honing f&r track, camber & caster adjustments for tyre longevity & ride comfort (well, as comfortable as a lowered t4 can be I: )


Whatever you do, good luck & enjoy T:


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OK, well have used poly type bushes in many performance vehicles over a long period of years.

I did consider this for my T4 in the past, but for a 'daily' they are quite harsh, once the novelty has worn off. Plus point is they are easier to fit, but they are certainly not there for life. Genuine VW bushes have proved very robust, with enough 'give' to not upset comfort (have now completed 26 years in T4's).

I have used Bilstein B6's on many vehicles (mainly Land Rover), but not on any T4's; and would confirm like many they are a nice choice. Many many years ago I used to commute across country in a 1.6 diesel Escort, with zero performance! Fitted B6's and low profile tyres, had no more performance, but the speed I could carry through the corners not only reduced the journey time, but made it a lot more fun too :D:D

Yes B6 gas over oil is fine (exactly what O.E. Sachs are); but my MV has always had heavy duty suspension (VW version of Sachs Super Touring). Ok the Sachs are oil only, but when I used to drive factory standard vehicles, I could not wait to get back in mine. Replaced them with the same, after 18 years, but bought Sachs (Super Touring / HD) from the aftermarket due to huge price difference.

Like so many things these days, purchases often become aspirational; so ultimately only you will make the choice. It's a bit like having the right lable / logo, my view is I only display it if someone is sponsoring me LOL:LOL:LOL:
thanks thats what i was pretty much after peoples thoughts on if its worth it, pro and cons etc. if they do have it done to their t4 some views on what its like to live with day in day, so i can make my mind up if its worth it over normal ones.
 

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thanks thats what i was pretty much after peoples thoughts on if its worth it, pro and cons etc. if they do have it done to their t4 some views on what its like to live with day in day, so i can make my mind up if its worth it over normal ones.
The problem T4Noobie is, you are doing such extensive work on yours, you would get the same feeling many do. People shout about 'this and that', so you often feel I want some; now in many instances that can be good for some items, and bad for others.

I could relay many stories during over 48 years in the industry, many in championship winning competition prep. But the important thing to always remember where suspension is concerned 'balance and only balance is king'; and I don't care what you are driving, or indeed riding.

Opinion is great, we buy and do a lot of things based on that, but it can also be equally dangerous. The big question, if not the only question you need to ask yourself is; "how qualified is that opinion".

Keep up the good work A:A:
 

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hello people

im sure if you have seen my progress thread you will have seen that i have now removed the front sub frame from the van for a tidy up and found that some of the bushes are shot so i thinking about replacing the whole lot with powerflex poly bushes but was after some advice from others that are using them as to if the £344.76 on bushes is really worth it over the standard items

my plan was to poly bush everything and run Bilstein B6 gas shocks but i would really like some advice/views on if its worth doing or not
This is a waste of money. Spend your money on good shocks and tyres. I have driven one with the poly bushes and it was only the owner telling me how much better they were. All I noticed was very little damping and more noise on bad roads.
 

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looks like my mind is made up to stick with standard items

thanks for all the info/input people
 
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