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A great way to stiffen the front suspension, for people who want a sportier ride, either because it has been lowered or has a heavy camper interior.

[table="head"]Part Number|Side|Thickness|Load|colour
701 411 103 F|Right|23.8 mm|payload <800kg|white
701 411 104 F|Left|23.8 mm|payload <800kg|white
701 411 103 G|Right|25.3 mm,|payload <1000 kg|green
701 411 104 G|Left|25.3 mm,|payload <1000 kg|green
701 411 103|Right|26.4 mm|front axle load <1520 kg and payload <1000kg|brown
701 411 104|Left|26.4 mm|front axle load <1520 kg and payload <1000kg|brown
701 411 103 J|Right|27.9 mm|front axle load <1600 kg and payload <2000kg|purple
701 411 104 J|Left|27.9 mm|front axle load <1600 kg and payload <2000kg|purple
A 701 411 103|Right|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray
A 701 411 104|Left|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray[/table]

If you want the purple or Grey torsion bar you also need to upgrade the front ARB/stabiliser bar and rods to the 27mm version from the normal 23.5mm

701411025H Stabliser
701411049B Link x 2
701411041D Rubber mount x 2

Comes in varieties; the thicker the stiffer I:

20mm ARB stabilizer 7D0511407
26mm ARB stabilizer 701511407C
28mm ARB stabilizer 7D0511407A

Phone you local dealer for a price.
 

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[table="head"]Part Number|Side|Thickness|Load|colour
A 701 411 103|Right|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray
A 701 411 104|Left|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray[/table]

after ringing a parts supplier I found a slight mistake in the part number for these, this is it corrected.

very happy with this table though. T:

found this page usefull too
http://www.wagenstad.com/index.php?modid=584&page=4-411-04

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[table="head"]Part Number|Side|Thickness|Load|colour
A 7D1 411 103|Right|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray
A 7D1 411 104|Left|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray[/table]
 

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[table="head"]Part Number|Side|Thickness|Load|colour
A 701 411 103|Right|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray
A 701 411 104|Left|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray[/table]
After ringing my local parts suplier I found a slight mistake in the part number for these.
It should be

[table="head"]Part Number|Side|Thickness|Load|colour
A 7D1 411 103|Right|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray
A 7D1 411 104|Left|28.6 mm|sports suspension|gray[/table]

Thanks for the info though, very usefull. T:

Also found this usefull too

http://www.wagenstad.com/index.php?modid=584&page=4-411-00


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Time for me to get on with this considering I'll have the engine out soon and lots of room to play with (I hope)

Just need to check that I haven't missed anything or any glitches that people know of. I've lost my VagCat access which is proving to be a real headache at the moment. So all help appreciated.

Firstly is ther any issue with installing this set up on an early T4 model? Mine's a 1992

I'd also be grateful if someone could check this part list for me too.
Parts list
Torsion Bar
1no. A 7D1 411 103 Right 28.6 mm Torsion Bar (Grey)
1no. A 7D1 411 104 Left 28.6 mm Torsion Bar (Grey)
1no. 701411025H Stabliser (what part is this?)
2no. 701411049B Links which parts are these please?
2no. 701411041D Rubber mounts

Anti Roll Bar
7D0511407A 28mm Anti Roll Bar
XXXXX Anti Roll Bar bushes / mounts
xxxxxx Drop links


Managed to rob a suspension pic from the internet for reference



Many thanks
 

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Hi Jim,

great post, but would you please update it for more clarification.

This is the front suspension ARB alright.

If you want the purple or Grey torsion bar you also need to upgrade the front ARB/stabiliser bar and rods to the 27mm version from the normal 23.5mm

701411025H Stabliser
701411049B Link x 2
701411041D Rubber mount x 2
These are the rear suspension ARBs. They have nothing to do with the front suspension.

Comes in varieties; the thicker the stiffer I:

20mm ARB stabilizer 7D0511407
26mm ARB stabilizer 701511407C
28mm ARB stabilizer 7D0511407A
/M
 

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Note to anyone buying rear ARB from VW. I had to wait from November 2011 to February 2012 for mine to turn up and i got a grilling from VW who wanted chassis numbers etc. Thankfully i'm well known to my dealer and they crossreferenced it to another vehicle which originally had it fitted from the factory. Be prepared for a looooooonnnnggggggggggggggggggggg wait :ILU:
 

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So correct me if I am wrong but if I would like to replace my current 1.9TD 800 special torsion bars with a set of brown Caravelle ones then they are a straight swap?
 

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Just bought a set of Grey torsion bar's from VW, for those who are interested an update on info below,

P/N's:
7D0 411 103A
7D0 411 104A

Price:
£430.54 inc VAT for the pair - ask nicely and you might get a discount T:
 

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So my caravelle ones are tired so would like to upgrade if ive got to replace them, which would i have had & why do you need to change arb?
 

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So my caravelle ones are tired so would like to upgrade if ive got to replace them, which would i have had & why do you need to change arb?
Check under the bonnet for axle loads. Being a caravelle and 5 pot engine it'll probably be 1560kg on the front axel so brown torsion bars to keep it original.

You shouldn't need to change your ARB as this is done only if you want to decrease roll at the front. If you do fit a bigger front ARB then you should fit one at the back axle too.

HTH
 
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