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Ok. So everyone so far has said I should go for the 2.5tdi.

Is the 1.9 that underpowered? I will only be carrying bikes and luggage around Exmoor, not fattening the van up with a full on camper conversion........well, not yet anyway!

And what about the 2.4 NA. How does that compare? My thinking is that there is no turbo to blow up, and have to eventually replace...

Exmoor does have some nasty hills though, and ultimately the 2.5tdi can be chipped up to 102 bhp, right?

So what are people's thoughts?
 

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The 2.5 tdi is much better on hills etc,having driven both there is no doubt which is best, 2.5 all the way.:ILU:
 

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You pays your money and takes your chances really. 2.5 TD(blue)i is 88 BHP (no intercooler and different injectors) 2.5TD(silver)i is 102 BHP with intercooler. You can't simply 'chip' an 88 to 102 unfortunately.

There is lots of info out there if you can search. Wikipedia is a good start. Scroll down to the model tables. T:

Ian. :D
 

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2.5TDi mate. Pulls great (assuming your MAF isn't FUBAR...), enables you to actually overtake other vehicles, and gives around 40mpg...
 

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Cheers guys. As I suspected the 2.5TDi rules!
I think I'd be happy with 88bhp for now.
What sort of mileage do these do before the clutch will need doing? Anything I should look out for when buying?
40mpg would be seriously good after driving a 110 Defender. I hate to think what that thing returned..18-20mpg at best!
 

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I have a 1.9td and have had a 2.5 not that much difference unless its the 102. The massive difference is in the repair bills!
 

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My 1.9td is superb all round including overtaking and pulls 40mpg. Not that i'm a racer but i will happily take on most of the modern vans including the 2.5TDi and be confident in keeping up or even beating the stock 88 and 102 bhp variants. Its taken a fair bit of tuning to get it that way though all DIY and nothing specialist (injector pump change, intercooler, increased boost and fuel). 1.9TD all the way for me and wouldn't even consider a 2.5tdi unless i was towing. 2.5tdi's are a specialist motor with loads of electrics which can go wrong and the 1.9td is easy to service and work on on your driveway with basic tools. That's why i'm so pro 1.9td!
 

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Its a 1.9 td all the way for me to soon to go looking for one for my mate to make into a camper over the winter ready for next year LOL:

1.9 td Fix and tune at home T:
2.5 tdi pay to fix and tune :(
1.9 and 2.4 na not a lot to tune but still good as far as i know .

Try and go for a test drive in some and make your mind up T:
at the end of the day there all T4s LOL:so there all good mate LOL:
 

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Aaaarrrrrgggghhhh! Well I said I wanted a balanced opinion eh?

The points T4toad and JIMMYJAMES make about the costs of maintainance and repairing are certainly weighing on my mind. If I had a full time job earning a load of wedge then paying whatever it took to keep a 2.5 running sweet would be no problem. I'm not though. I'm self employed and anything that saves me money is well worth considering...

I guess we'll just have to see what comes along at the time. The Landy is being collected on Friday so there will be a big wad of cash burning a hole in my pocket!
 

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1.9d = slow slow slow. I'm driving one because of my age and the insurance, the money is the only thing stopping me getting a 1.9td and doing a bit of tuning on it!
 

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If you were closer bud i would let you drive mine so you can see the reliable potential of the engine. I'm no engineer but i am methodical when working on the engine. I replaced a cylinder head recently on my van and it was fiddly but easily do-able. Faults are normally easy to find and fix too.
 

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Oi! you diesel lot.

Are you not forgetting the rather svelte and sophisticated 2.0 Petrol

Hmmmmm peace and quiet.

Not forgetting the ability to go up hills, and on motorways. At a sensible speed without your ears bleeding LOL:
 

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i personally,would go for the cleanest/best maintained and looked after van i could get for my money(which is what i did ),all of the engines are good,petrol and diesel,most people prefer 2.5 tdi but they are more expensive to maintain and more hassle when they go wrong as its ecu controlled,i love my 1.9 td,bit sluggish as standard but not as bad as people make out,now its had the fuelling and turbo boost tweaks (free by the way)it goes really well now
2.4d is a good engine,not really tuneable but a good strong engine,same with the 1.9d reliable and strong but not tuneable,with all the different engines,just make sure they've,been serviced when they're supposed to,and had cambelts done at the correct intervals,and check for signs of head gaskets goin,e.g running hot,oil and water mixing in header tank,make sure fan cuts in etc,also check the clutch,if its on the way out knock them down at least 2-300 quid on the price
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never driven a 2.0,so cant really comment but presume its basically the same as a golf passat engine so should be pretty much ok
2.5 petrols,go really well,sound awesome but are pretty juicy,strong engines too
vr6/v6 are the ultimate,again sound awesome and fly,juicy on fuel as well though only weakness is the auto gearboxes can have lots of problems,expensive to fix,i'd love one,i'd have to convert it to manual if i did though
 

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cheers for that big bazza - the question is do i want the possible associated running costs with a 2.5tdi? (over twice as much for a cambelt change!) probably not is the answer! not unless i buy one which has just been done and worry about the cost 80K down the line!

i do quite like the idea of the 2.4. simple strong, reliable... are these still belt driven? are the costs similar to that of a 2.5tdi to replace a cambelt? i heard you can have the fuel pump recalibrated which might release a few extra horses.

if i do end up with a 1.9td, which isn't sounding as terrible as i've been led to believe, i'll have to find out about those fueling and turbo boost tweaks eh big bazza...
 

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People keep saying the 2.5 TDi is costly to maintain, but they are not. Agreed if it goes bang it's going to cost, but so is any engine. Don't forget the belts only need doing every 80,000 miles. We have had our TDi for over 3 years and done 30,000 miles in it. All ours have needed engine wise is the MAF (60 quidish);)

Keep it serviced and it should be sweet, regardless of the engine you go for.

I would get a 88bhp TDi, stick some new nozzles in, get a remap and you are looking at a reliable 136bhp for about £600, thats what we did;) We should have fitted an I/C and that would have got 146bhp, ahh well:(

Or get a 102bhp and do PP:eek:
 

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My 2.5 tdi (88) is at 117000 miles now and I've done 70000 of those in nearly 4 years with routine maintenance and no serious problems at all.
With regard chipping, mine is done and has been for 50000 miles now ( cant wait for the techiies to start I:) and makes a big difference with much more power for hills and a higher comfy cruising speed. Cost about £300 fitted and in my view well worth it. It's not meant to be a race car, but gets over the North Devon Link well loaded with ease now.
My mate drove from home to Aberdeenshire in his 1.9td following me last winter. We cruised at 70ish all the way and both brimmed tanks before leaving. At Perth he put 39p less diesel in his to top up than I did. Dont write off the 1.9 or 2.4.
 

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Ahhh, the North Devon Link road. I feel sorry for all you guys who make the pilgimage every weekend!

So, as far as engines go....

Get the best maintained vehicle and keep it that way. I'm still leaning towards the 2.5tdi (if i can find one) although i'm not writing any others off just yet.
 

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Ahhh, the North Devon Link road. I feel sorry for all you guys who make the pilgimage every weekend!

So, as far as engines go....

Get the best maintained vehicle and keep it that way. I'm still leaning towards the 2.5tdi (if i can find one) although i'm not writing any others off just yet.
After Lobbs this year I tried to follow Desp Dan on the link road...............No chance of keeping upLOL:LOL: But we still never went below 60T:

But next year who knows, I now have 6 more horses than he has:D:D
Bring it on BobRasp:Rasp:

Back on topic, service history rules;) Don't buy a van without one!
I got one without a history and I had to sort loads of problems to get it right. It's was sorted quick but it cost me:(
Steering rack, exhaust etc, etc.
 
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