So the AXD and AXE does not have a DPF then ?

I have a BNZ with DPF and use vw507.0 Castrol as it says on the original oil filler cap

Minefield springs to mind . Good advice though T:

 

Yes as far as I understand the BNZ is supposed to us vw507.00 T:

But NOT the AXD/AXE!

 

This has had much discussion... It's a sticky thread in the section you've posted this in

Much debate, but yes, I bought mine with 507 in... drained to 506.1 (AXE) and she's much quieter.

 

506.1 / Longlife II

 

507.1 is better than 506.1 in all respects, it's also low ash so is suitable for dpf's. This has been discussed loads of times which culminated in the oils being compared in all attributes, the 507.1 is either as good or better. Don't make me have to prove it

 

507.1 is better than 506.1 in all respects, it's also low ash so is suitable for dpf's. This has been discussed loads of times which culminated in the oils being compared in all attributes, the 507.1 is better. Don't make me have to prove it

No i cant make you prove it, but i would appreciate it if you would enlighten me to your knowledge

 

Blah Blah blah yadda yadda yadda groundhog day.

Stick 507.00 in your R5 AXD & AXE and V10 Tourag at your peril. Really don't know why poeple don't just use the correct oil as stated in the owners handbook supplied with the vehicle, and it's very specific about the R5, and leave it at that. Simples

AXD AXE 506.01

BNZ BPC 507.00 Yawn.

 

I've gone back to 506 as think the 507 is to good for the earlier engines, can't prove it but think since 507 was used in my engine I've had more trouble. When you go and get oil just ask for 506.1 0w-30 as if you give the registration they will just give you 507.01 5w-30 which is for the later dpf engines.

 

That chart has been around for a long time, but for some reason it still wont get VW, the UK vw dealer network or the leading oil manufacturers to agree :*

 

I should have said that the above 3 parties will not give a definative answer to the question if they did they would incriminate one another which because they have a vested interest in each others business is never gonna happen
the last of the AXD/AXE's will be 10 years old around 03/16 - would this have any bearing if liabilities, if they were any, after this date ?

 

If all these oils are so good why do we get cams that wear out !!! ? :*

My original engine had 3 cams in its 180.000 life .

 

Longlife is the problem here - not the type off oil (unless your filling with cheap oil).

I take care off 2x skoda superb 1.9 PD engine 130BHP - owned by the same company - driven by different drivers
Both brand new one on longlife the other came on fixed servicing.

Fixed 10K service one did 320K miles - never replaced a camshaft
Longlife worn the cam out 240K miles

 

When the DPF was introduced to the t5 post 03/06 they needed to use an oil with a lower ash content to work with the DPF.
at the same time Vw changed the camshaft for a harder one I:
I do know that my AXD is quieter on start up with 506.01 than the 507.00 that the dealers put in it, could it be the viscosity allowing oil to the galleries quicker ? a lot of engine wear is caused by starting

 

Most engine wear occurs on starting/ cold engine.

The major issue with any oil is leaving it in beyond its service life, too many use LONGLIFE regimes when they should be using standard 10-12,000 / 12 months schedules, this should be the norm for private owners/ short trip usage.

I would only use 506.01 in an AXD/AXE and 507.00 in a BPC/BNZ.

 

Agree 506.1

http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/carengineoils_products_mobil-super-3000-formula-ld-0w30.aspx#

approved for VW

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400496264676?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

 

i live in france, have used 507 for 9 yrs now inmy axd no problems. the vw dealer sold me 507 for it originally from new and insisted that was correct. i actually cant get 506 from my local suppliers. i cant see what all the fuss is about, 507 is a superior spec, lower ash is not going to hurt a non dpf motor. you pays your money takes your choice!!!!

 

clearly you've not read the post... 507 isn't better.. it's simply different, read the previous pages. according to the 'it's better rule' 504 is actually better for your van than 507... think about it.. if 507 is better.. why do they make anything other!? I:

read the post rather than stating things that have no factual content or relevance what so ever...

 

Totally agree had a phone conversation with tps in cambridge and they tryed to sell me 507 oil but after telling them to double check they came back to me and said I was right 506.01 is the right oil for axd engine . I only new about 506.01 from the forum so ask the question and a big thanks to everyone on here as it could of been a very expensive mistake.

 

In actual fact it's both-

Wrong oil is going to wear the cam quickly. Long life servicing, especially coupled with short journeys is just going to make a bad situation worse.

 

I use the Quantum Longlife II oil (506.01), but have it changed every 6/7 k miles. It's expensive, but worth it.

 

Hi all.

I put a thread up regarding a vibration at speed that has appeared on my 2006 T5 with axd engine last week i think.

After doing some diagnistic tests i found the injectors are looking really work, so this evening removed the front etc to get the cam cover off.

Well, i have found the camshaft in a right state with a few heavily worn lobes. So, along with the injector removal and testing, the injector wiring looks like a new cam and followers will be going in.

Van has done 182,000 miles, and in 2 yrs since i have had it, longlife II genuine VW oil which is 506 rated has been put in.

That was untill last service, where i forgot to take the oil with me to work and used some of the stuff from there, the newest dexon 3 Vauxhall oil that does 507.01.

Coincidence i think that now me camshaft is knackered i think

Bazza

 

Hi all.

I put a thread up regarding a vibration at speed that has appeared on my 2006 T5 with axd engine last week i think.

After doing some diagnistic tests i found the injectors are looking really work, so this evening removed the front etc to get the cam cover off.

Well, i have found the camshaft in a right state with a few heavily worn lobes. So, along with the injector removal and testing, the injector wiring looks like a new cam and followers will be going in.

Van has done 182,000 miles, and in 2 yrs since i have had it, longlife II genuine VW oil which is 506 rated has been put in.

That was untill last service, where i forgot to take the oil with me to work and used some of the stuff from there, the newest dexon 3 Vauxhall oil that does 507.01.

Coincidence i think that now me camshaft is knackered i think

Bazza[/QUOTE
Sorry to hear about your cam!
How many miles had you done with the 507.01 Bazza?

 

I've picked up my van today and the oil has be changed for the correct vw 506.01. The van seams quiter and smoother with the correct oil in it. Throttle response seams crisper too!
One of the main problems I've had with the van since its first service with me is it sometimes going into limp home mode when under load. Someone else on this site said that there van went into limp home but when they changed back to the vw 506.01 the fault stopped.
So here's hoping the van won't go into limp home anymore and hoping the cam will last a little longer!
Thanks to all the positive inputs to this site because without them I would be still running around unaware that I had the wrong oil in and properly prematurly wearing out my engine.T:

 

I've done a few thousand miles not and has not gone into limp home since the correct oil has been put in it and the van has never ran so well.

 

To add to this ongoing debate.....
I have a 2005 Caravelle with the AXE engine on 157,000 miles. I sent it to the garage to get the DMF done and water pump at the same due to coolant loss. While it was there I got the oil changed. It came back with the DMF working perfectly but now has a suspected cam failure. The oil used at this service was the 507 00.
I quizzed my mechanic and he said that this oil supercedes all oils for VW engines according to VW. It looks like I'll be giving the 506 01 a try to see if it quietens it down. The noise is present under hard accelation, is this the correct diagnosis? My concern is that it's too late!
And after a new water pump and cap I still have coolant loss.......

 

It would be hell of a lot easier to just say that 507 super cedes 506 in all engines. The fact that they single out the r10 and axd/axe engines as exceptions surely tells us something. Mines staying on 506 even if it does cost al little moreT:.

 

For my two pennies worth..... 5w-30is a different oil as it has a different range over 0w-30 which in my opinion is a thinner oil. Now is it about how the cam followers are designed in the way they compress with the thinner oil :* I mean the way I see it the follower is full of oil and it rubs lightly on the back of the cam shaft lobe due to pressure from the oil pump. When the camshaft comes around and pushes the follower down onto the valve the oil in the follower hydrolocks due to the trapped oil and no where to go. Now if the oil is thicker then it won't compress the same as the thinner oil which in affect will make the follower sit slightly higher. As the camshaft is gear driven it will force the cam lobe around and damage the cam lobe tip and follower, it will also make the camshaft rock in its bearing shells and increase wear here as well. Is there a bigger relief hole in the side of the 1.9pd or 2.5 bnz/bpc cam followers to be able to use the 5w-30 (507.1) oil. I'm sticking with 506.1

 

Would be interesting to know what other physical differences there are other than the hardened camshaft,ie. gallery oilways and relief holes etc,

 

wheres the best place to buy 506.1 on line?

 

after reading all these posts i am still not convinced there is anything wrong with 507 in an axd. i must add i change the oil every 12 mths or 10,000 km whichever comes first, 120,000 km on it now, no obvious signs of problems, it does equivalent of 35 mpg or better and is quiet.
i will say that we were advised by vw, here in france, last year to reduce service interval from 30,000 km to 20,000 km, and this year advised to reduce interval to 15,000 km on axd. they are still reccomending 507 oil, as they did in 2005 when i bought it here in france.

 

i recommend you read my posts on page 2....

Your belief is irrelevant.... the fact remains, 506.1 is so completely different to 507... 507 is nearly identical to 504.. yet would you put 504 in? People gasp at the thought.., but the properties are so close, nearly identical, ( check the chart on page 2. )

I don't think there is any argument to be had, read the manual, it says 506.1 rich in properties that 507 doesn't contain... in fact, they couldn't be more different. don't assume someone whom works in a garage knows it all.. i'll put my money with the engineers whom designed and built the engine, they say 506.1 = i'm sticking with them. Do what you will, but be certain your know better than the engineers.

many vw garages around here say 506.1 and "DO NOT USE" 507, i appreciate inconsistently.

 

The two service interval advisories were from vw direct as part of a yearly written service letter, admittedly advertising their service prices. The 507 reccomendation is by our dealer vw, as vw havent isued any instruction

 

I reckon that changing oil on a fixed mileage, or contamination from the engine fluuids, can lead to premature failiure of the oils properties. Hence mileage has been reduced. Imho more regular changes can only be better for an engine that relies so heavily on top quality clean oil to survive. So for me 12 months or 10,000 km service interval as a maximum. I think the issue here is quality and cleanliness not 507 or 504.

 

Alexander, the advise on the service intervals being reduced from 30k to 20k and then to 15k kms) were you contacted by the dealer or directly from vw ?

 

The advice was in the vw service brochure sent directly to every french registered vw commercial owner, not posted from the dealer