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This a sticky yet?! Should be!! Just as priceless as the upper guide. Very, very useful indeed.
Took me ages to find this one but found the upper guide immediately... :* Now if I could just find out where to get the replacement XZN bolts I'd be golden.
Thanks DIYhell.
 
looking at doing my lower ball joints, so let me get this right with the wedge/chisel thing. a 100mm wide chisel fits between the upper control arm and the subframe thus not allowing the hub assembly to drop whilst u remove the ball joint? could i not just use a house brick, the 4" one to wedge in or is this just a silly idea? what would happen if the hub was to drop moving that upper arm?
 
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Re the brick, it's just a faff to get something in there and be aware a brick can crush and collapse with a point load like that. You've got the torsion bar doing a karate chop on it.

If it drops to the floor you can't (well, I couldn't') remove the joint as there's no clearance. My 'solution' is a madeeuppee version of what the VW tool looks like.
 
looking at doing my lower ball joints, so let me get this right with the wedge/chisel thing. a 100mm wide chisel fits between the upper control arm and the subframe thus not allowing the hub assembly to drop whilst u remove the ball joint? could i not just use a house brick, the 4" one to wedge in or is this just a silly idea? what would happen if the hub was to drop moving that upper arm?
Do not even think about it for one minute more! The torque on those arms is absolutely incredible so you do not want to put a brick anywhere near it! I did not want to butcher a chisel so I jammed in a large and very solid impact socket!
 
just a couple of little extra tips to this excellent "howto"-when separating the taper joint leave the nut screwed onto the taper pin of the joint,but backed off a couple of turns,just enough to allow the joint to "crack".This prevents the force of the sudden separation of the joint pulling the driveshaft partially out of the gearbox,as happened to me!I undid the nut fully first,lubed it and replaced so it was easy to remove once the joint was separated-(corrosion on the thread makes it very tight to remove the first time)
I also used a wooden wedge to keep the upper arm holding tool (chisel) firmly under the centre of the arm as it was lowered.There is a lot of pressure on this tool.and,johnsbegood,I don't think I would want to rely on a house brick not cracking.
Lots of info on this thread.Thanks to everyone.
 
The reason the bolster chisel is used is because the driveshaft is running in this gap, there is very limited room to wedge anything.

If you dont do this and undo the 2 bolts holding the lower ball joint it is more difficult to get these 2 bolts back in as you need to lift the Hub/brake caliper assembly up but it doesnt go straight up but splays out of position.:bhd
 
looking at doing my lower ball joints, so let me get this right with the wedge/chisel thing. a 100mm wide chisel fits between the upper control arm and the subframe thus not allowing the hub assembly to drop whilst u remove the ball joint? could i not just use a house brick, the 4" one to wedge in or is this just a silly idea? what would happen if the hub was to drop moving that upper arm?
For anyone looking for an answer to this, and having done this yesterday- a house brick would be too big to fit in there, but I would not do it this way again anyway.
Mine is a '99 so the layout might be a little different but wedging the chisel (or anything else) in there felt seriously wrong.
Mine didn't have the 'flat spot on the chassis as shown so that may help, but there seemed no way of securely wedging the chisel. The first time I did it (van on axle stands - trolley jack under lower wishbone) I thought it was well in there but a few minutes later it P!NGED out:eek:. There's a lot of force with the torsion bar acting on such a short lever and I'm glad I wasn't touching anything at the time. I find all my fingers quite useful.
Also - the force is so great that it bent the edge of the chassis member under the chisel.:(
I did get it back in there and carry on but everything I did from then on was tempered by the worry that the upper arm could at any point slam down and break things.
I know a lot of people have done this without a problem but I've read of people jacking the van up and then supporting the end of the wishbone on a pole between axle stands, so that's the plan when I do it again (need to do the upper ball joint and the other side).
That said this thread and the upper ball joint one have proved invaluable and I'm most grateful to Diyhell for them.

Incidentally I used a splitter looking identical to the one Pfeiffer shows, mine was made by Nielson (or Neilson..?) and bought from ebay for about £14 I think (ebay item 231444954182). I did however have to grind the flange out from inside the jaws to get it to fit on the joint.
 
looking at doing my lower ball joints, so let me get this right with the wedge/chisel thing. a 100mm wide chisel fits between the upper control arm and the subframe thus not allowing the hub assembly to drop whilst u remove the ball joint? could i not just use a house brick, the 4" one to wedge in or is this just a silly idea? what would happen if the hub was to drop moving that upper arm?
For anyone looking for an answer to this, and having done this yesterday- a house brick would be too big to fit in there, but I would not do it this way again anyway.
Mine is a '99 so the layout might be a little different but wedging the chisel (or anything else) in there felt seriously wrong.
Mine didn't have the 'flat spot on the chassis as shown so that may help, but there seemed no way of securely wedging the chisel. The first time I did it (van on axle stands - trolley jack under lower wishbone) I thought it was well in there but a few minutes later it P!NGED out:eek:. There's a lot of force with the torsion bar acting on such a short lever and I'm glad I wasn't touching anything at the time. I find all my fingers quite useful.
Also - the force is so great that it bent the edge of the chassis member under the chisel.:(
I did get it back in there and carry on but everything I did from then on was tempered by the worry that the upper arm could at any point slam down and break things.
I know a lot of people have done this without a problem but I've read of people jacking the van up and then supporting the end of the wishbone on a pole between axle stands, so that's the plan when I do it again (need to do the upper ball joint and the other side).
That said this thread and the upper ball joint one have proved invaluable and I'm most grateful to Diyhell for them.

Incidentally I used a splitter looking identical to the one Pfeiffer shows, mine was made by Nielson (or Neilson..?) and bought from ebay for about £14 I think (ebay item 231444954182). I did however have to grind the flange out from inside the jaws to get it to fit on the joint.
 
Well it's a shame I didn't read the above or just leave the job to someone. Started the passenger side and the chisel method failed causing the upper arm to slam down and pull the drive shaft out knackering the flange seal. I then jacked the upper arm with two bottle jacks and a breaker bar. This setup could be used like suggested above I suppose just using axle stands and a strong bar;
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Thank you Diyhell - couldn't have fixed this without the tip about the chisel. Welded up a little spacer to the shape you specified and with a half-cup on the top to snug onto the wishbone. It worked a treat.

Tip #1: I only replaced the balljoint because the gaiter was split, even though there was no evidence of movement. But once I'd wedged the upper wishbone it was shocking how much movement there was in the lower joint. So if you're hearing front-end rattles on a rough road get out a big lever to see if there's movement in these joints - just heaving on the roadwheel doesn't reveal the problem.

Tip #2: Lower bolts are 14mm XZN aka "triple-square". These tools did the job: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261894175313?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT (*) but you'll need a 1/2"-to-10mm adaptor plus a 600mm-or-more 1/2" breaker-bar to use them. (My 3/8" breaker bar just twisted it's head off when I heaved.) The bolts supplied with my £15 aftermarket balljoint are 10mm standard socket-head. So which torque to use... 90Nm+90degrees specified for hex-head, or 55Nm+90degrees specified for XZN-head? I compromised on 75Nm+90 plus some threadlock. Which still seemed damn tight for the size of the bolt. (If you come across a silver '02 Caravelle upside down in a hedge you'll be able to tell the coroner what happened.)

Tip #3: Don't try to undo XZN bolts by ramming in a hex bit or a torx bit. I've already failed to save you the bother of failing for yourself.

(*) If the ebay link is broken the tool I bought was: Neilsen "2pc M14 spline bits" CT2119 "ideal for Ford bell housing". I was skeptical that their 10mm hex part might just shear off, but turned out they were fine. And at £3.99 a pair a bargain.
 
Here is an alternative way without having any special tools or post ramps:

Loosen wheel nuts, trolley jack up (i usually do this on the metal box that the left wishbone bolt is bolted through) and place axle stand under jacking point.
Remove wheel, Undo ball joint spindle nut and then put it back on a few turns.
Then smash the out of it with a forked splitter (obviously if you have a proper screwed splitter that would be easier)
Then remove the nut from the bolt that goes through the shock absorber, jack up the wish bone (I used a bottle jack) and when the tension is taken off remove the bolt.
Next you need to remove the two bolts holding on the ball joint to the hub, use a pry bar to get it out of the hub and then remove the main spindle nut.
This is where things get tricky because 'unless' you wedge the top arm there will still be quite a lot of tension in the wish bone, so I used a long sledge hammer/pic-axe handle between the wishbone and subframe so i could lever it down. This may require two people as if there is a lot of tension in the lower arm it is quite tricky to lever it down while removing - & refitting the old - & new - ball joint. Once the ball joint is free, clean up recess and then reverse the process. Oh and lastly there are 'two' different types of ball joint. The pre early 96 has a tab on it - and short bolts - whereas the late 96 has no tab and long thicker bolts.

I hope this helps someone.
 
I can't edit this post so it will have to be here. Where is states:

Then remove the nut from the bolt that goes through the shock absorber, jack up the wish bone (I used a bottle jack) and when the tension is taken off remove the bolt.

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(jack down & remove it from the wish bone)
 
Thanks for a great how to guide on this! Worth noting that if you're also doing the top ones (may as well while you're there - 3 out of 4 had failed on mine), the tool for the top can be used on the bottom if you're careful. I found out after trying the puller to no avail and a splitter I bought for the job was too small. Helps to find an extra nut or take one from the opposite side and screw on beneath the original nut to protect the thread when using the tool to push the joint out. Came out easy, so much quicker than gear pullers which kept slipping off and left me exhausted and desperate.
 
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