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Hi All HELP!!!!!!!

Right here I am again. Before we start I have read cyclistrobs thread and comments from upspex and need some clarification as the posts refer to the 2.4. Help needed here guys. I have done several conversions usually where I remove engine and loom knowing car was running but this one has me stumped.
Working on M reg caravelle. I have a donor golf engine 1995 without immobiliser. The loom was cut at fusebox connectors and accelerator pedal baromic sensor and cruise control BUT ALL OTHER WIRING OK and yes ive traced all wires and tested. The ecu (FOR REFERENCE) is earlier than I have worked on before ref: 028 906 021C. Now 68 pin ecu wiring is the same (I think lol):

0v=pins 1-24-46 brown wire (all ok)
12v= 23-45-68 black and yellow (not giving 12v BUT BRIDGE terminal 30 and 87 get 12v)
12v ignition pin 38 black wire (all ok)
ecu switched ground for 109 relay black & purple (reading 12v)
K Line 61 (all ok)

So inspected fused box and replaced, replaced 109 relay
Thought I HAD CHECKED CONTINUITY OF WHOLE WIRING LOOM and fuse box.

Can someone please just confirm that I am doing this right as honestly baffled The black and white wire!!!! Can you please confirm that this is the same and not just the 2.4. If so Can you please confirm in idiot proof way (yes im feeling like that at this moment in time) the G1 PIN and the ecu pin Pretty please love you all long time.

Thanks in advance

ADE
 
Hey guys, old thread I know but I need some help to get the glow working again. I have a 1.9TD ABL and followed the steps in the first post. The old relay didn't click when ignition is turned but looping it with a wire works a treat. However, no glow light in the dash. Replaced the relay and the new one clicks when key is turned but will not light the lamp or glow the plugs..

So I figured that it must be the black/white wire going into the engine bay. If I understand correctly, this is the ground going into the ECU but since I don't have an ECU I wonder where it ends up in the engine bay? I did find a connection in the black/white wire between the engine bay and from the fusebox so it must be further along the wire somehow. It disappears in a really awkward spot underneath everything and its hard to find.
 
Is it ok to do that until i find a replacement? Van is main driver, I've foollowed the excellent first post. a Loop around 87 & 30 allows it to start. A wire to earth from 85 doesnt , leading me to interpret that the relay is duff, and thankfully the wiring isnt yet broken.

Are 109s only available from main dealer? Supposed to be taking van to Europe on thursday and she choses THIS weekend to play up.

Thanks UPSpex
 
For a very limited time yes. The relay is dealer only if you want a good one. Might not be the relay, could be a broken wire in the engine loom (very common).
 
For a very limited time yes. The relay is dealer only if you want a good one. Might not be the relay, could be a broken wire in the engine loom (very common).
Even if the test from 85 to earth fails to start the engine/glowplug light? First post seemed to suggest that if that was the case, then its narrowed down to the 109 relay

Just hoping for any easy/inexpensive fix!
 
Is it ok to do that until i find a replacement? Van is main driver, I've foollowed the excellent first post. a Loop around 87 & 30 allows it to start. A wire to earth from 85 doesnt , leading me to interpret that the relay is duff, and thankfully the wiring isnt yet broken.

Are 109s only available from main dealer? Supposed to be taking van to Europe on thursday and she choses THIS weekend to play up.

Thanks UPSpex
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No ignition lights,AA immobiliser light flashing,

Hi everybody,HELP Please I have a 2001 2.5tdi, ex AA,when I first bought the van it had a starting issue, I traced it to the AA immobiliser under the drivers seat,it has a fob which needs to be rapped around the gray wire lup,van has been trouble free for 5 years,but today,I have no ignition lights, relay is clicking so key switch is working, also the immobiliser light is flashing on the dash,never done that before,iv checked the fob and lup wire and it's all good where I left it,iv messed with it and still nothing,if I engage start position on the key the van horn sounds, and no starting but no ignition lights, any help with how to sort this please,I understand that the immobiliser was from the AA days
 
Hi All

Also apologies for using an old post but good to keep these issues all together, Have read the top post and convinced my issue is probably the earth to ECU problem. Symptoms are the same 'no glow plug' light and engine fires but dies almost immeadiately. Have checked 109 with cover off and relay actuates with ignition going on. Also tried brand new one with no change so original must be ok.

I hooked up the ODBII reader and this is the output from a scan.

Chassis Type: 70 - VW Transporter
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,22,25

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 074-906-018-ACV.LBL
Controller: 074 906 018 AL
Component: 2,5l R5 EDC G000SG 3321
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 02760

Faults Found:
17664 - Engine Coolant Temp Sensor (G62): Open or Short to Plus
P1256 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent

17946 - Fuel Shutoff Solenoid (N109): Open or Short to Ground
P1538 - 35-00 - -

Readiness: N/A

So guys I read this as definitely somewhere between switched earth on back of relay to ECU plug. Would you agree? Going to look at that spot in the loom under brake servo.

Many thanks
 
Symptoms are the same 'no glow plug' light and engine fires but dies almost immeadiately

you sure this is not immobiliser related:*

Rich.
 
Hi Rich

No I'm not sure but the status from the scan shows the following so I was going for the earth back to the ECU route, although not sure what the shut off solenoid message is all about. Had a look at loom under the Brake servo where the common brakes are but all looks fine. Will try continuity between back of fuse box to pin 120 on ECU connector next ... :(

Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 6X0-953-257.LBL
Controller: 6X0 953 257
Component: IMMO 0008
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00084
VCID: FD8DFAF7E4E9

No fault code found.

End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
you sure this is not immobiliser related:*

Rich.

Hi Rich

No I'm not sure but the status from the scan shows the following so I was going for the earth back to the ECU route, although not sure what the shut off solenoid message is all about. Had a look at loom under the Brake servo where the common brakes are but all looks fine. Will try continuity between back of fuse box to pin 120 on ECU connector next ... :(

Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 6X0-953-257.LBL
Controller: 6X0 953 257
Component: IMMO 0008
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00084
VCID: FD8DFAF7E4E9

No fault code found.

End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
common imob issues show as engine stert then stall after a second or so, if the ecu gets no power (109 relay or other wiring issue) then no start at all?

Rich.
 
If it shows N109 then I would be checking the black/yellow wire in the loom across the engine. It could also be that the valve itself has failed. Same symptoms.
 
If it shows N109 then I would be checking the black/yellow wire in the loom across the engine. It could also be that the valve itself has failed. Same symptoms.
I've tried a brand new 109 relay, no change. Is that what you mean by valve. Fuel Shut off solenoid/valve its the same thing right? The wiring diagram i'm using has a white/black cable from N109 relay to pin 120 on the ECU plug. Other side of relay looks like connected to earth bus on diagram so I read this as a switched earth to the ECU. Is this the wire your referring to?

thanks rich on the immobiliser. Surely there would be a OBDII code if it were that ??

The only other thing to say that might help is I dont get the glow coil light since this issue started.
 
The fuel shut of valve/solenoid is on the pump and controls fuel flow to the injector pump. Nothing to do with the imobiliser .
 
The fuel shut of valve/solenoid is on the pump and controls fuel flow to the injector pump. Nothing to do with the imobiliser .
Ok thanks ... right so have proven its not the fuel shut off valve/solenoid. Its actuates with direct feed from battery and disconnected wire and measured voltage at 12v with ignition on and cranking. So back to immobiliser then. do you know which pin of the 109 relay is the black/white cable to the ECU plug?

Thanks for all the replies
 
9 out 10 vans I see with this problem the white/black wire is broken down low by the bottom of the radiator where water collects in the trunking.
 
I had the same problem but think i have traced it back to a fault 109 relay. But to get to that point i kind of hacked the black and white wire to pieces as bits of it looked like it might be the cause.

What is the correct wire to replace that with?

thanks

Andy
 
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