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Hey guy's many thanks for the efforts and time put into all this.

I have a 2000 model 2.5 ACV T4 and my glow plug light comes on with ignition for barly a second then go's out. Ive tested the relay and inspected connections and all fuses, everything is ok. All the glow plugs work fine.

Problem is somtimes the relay is not getting energised at all but the glow plug light is still displaying on dash quickly. So I have no power at the glow plugs and the van will not start.

Somtimes I hear it click and click off again after 10 seconds or so and I know the glow plugs have power and my van will start. But this is one in over 100 turns of the key on and off if im lucky.

What can I look at next? where is the computer located for the glow plug timer?

Thanks, Kev.
Change 109
 
Ok I've got one orderd from GSF.

I tested relay 103 (glow plug relay) it works fine and has solid negative and power, just not being switched by the control circuit. Will be a week or so to get this relay over I hope this will fix my problem!

In the mean time I bridged power outlets on the fuse board with a light switch so my glow plugs can get power, hope I dont break anything.I:
 
It is controlled by the ECU which is in the N/S/F wing. Did you change the right temp sender? Are all the contacts in the fuse board where the relays plug in ok? Have a good look at the main loom where it passes under the brake servo in the engine bay, it is common for wires to fracture here.
 
Thank you for this thread it has been really informative and very helpful. However I am still having problems, can anyone give me some advice?

I have a 2.5 TDI 1999 VW T4 Ex AA Van. I purchased the van in September and drove it to Weymouth. The electrics on the van went on the second trip and I had to get the alternator changed. I have replaced the 109 relay and tried improving the earth by taking a wire from the relay to the van mainframe, this didn't really seem to make any difference. The van now starts perfectly every time but the engine often cuts out after about 30 seconds. When I put the key in the van I get a ticking from the relays (probably the working 109 relay) This doesn't always happen but it can happen very regularly. When it cuts out the engine immediately dies with no spluttering or warning.

I have the following theories:

1. Having spoken to someone at Medworxs he suggested it could be the chip within the key (I have a second key so I will give that a try) although this wouldn't explain the clicking relay, would it?

2. The other theory is that there is an incorrect signal going to the relay that is causing it to constantly cut out.

3. Or it could be that there is an loose wire that is causing a incorrect earth and causing the relay to trip?

Has anyone had this problem before?

Any solutions?
 
Begin by checking all main earths. Start at the battery and work your way along the neg cable. Then check at the back of the fuse box. Also check the loom where it passes under the brake servo for damage.
 
cheers for this thread guys. Mine didn't start this morning, jumped the terminals on the relay and it went straight away. Just shot over to Euro Car Parts, ÂŁ12 later for a new 109 and I'm up and running again :)

Hopefully it'll still be alive in the morning....!
 
cheers for this thread guys. Mine didn't start this morning, jumped the terminals on the relay and it went straight away. Just shot over to Euro Car Parts, ÂŁ12 later for a new 109 and I'm up and running again :)

Hopefully it'll still be alive in the morning....!
Update.... it wasn't still alive in the morning! Had to jump the relay again to get it to start. I've spent the evening chasing the little black & white wire around in the engine bay, found a break in it (obviously in about the most awkward place to get to) and spliced in a new bit of wire to re-join it and all is good again.

Cheers for the info in this thread, wouldn't have known where to start otherwise. T:
 
Well she's been at the garage for 2 days, ecu's shot, can't read voltages properly, do not have Hawk immobilizers fitted people, they don't help, I shall get a full engineers report, then see what the insurance company says,ÂŁ1500 for a new ecu,2 and a half days labour, remapping.

The upside, it's an investment, she'll run forever now, never mind, will get the auto elecs report too(he looked at it second),lets hope the insurance are in a good mood.
 
Why bother having any immobiliser fitted when the van already has an excellent one built in. I think I would be looking round the breakers for a second hand ecu
 
Why bother having any immobilizer fitted when the van already has an excellent one built in. I think I would be looking round the breakers for a second hand ecu
If i didn't work 12 hour shifts I would do, fair comment about existing immobilizer :), have rang breakers in hull before,T4's are rarely found, trust me, and would you risk fitting a second hand one, question of choice:*,and peace of mind.

But a word of caution for anyone else who goes through this, make sure the mech has the right software, I won't get her back until Monday/Tuesday now because old softwares needed, took them 4 hours and 3 men to figure it out though!
 
In nearly 20 years of working with T4s this is the first time I have heard of an ecu failure. Probably why it was so hard to diagnose.
Is there any chance that the wiring on the "fitted" immobiliser,being an import,could have caused the problem?incompatible voltages,i shall ask them to test the old one first,if it's ok,may save me a few quid?!
 
to clarify im wondering where the wires for the 109 relay are located on the back of the fuse box and what wires are what, i want to see if theres any power going to the box and maybe seeing if the conector for the relay is broken and thats why the power is failing to reach the relay.
 
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