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I have been offered a set of Polo clocks pt no. 6NO 919 910 Q dont suppose any one know it these would fit my 98 T4? and if any mods would be needed???

thanks in advance..
The mounting tabs are in the wrong place on those clocks, but I guess it wouldn't be impossible to make up some kind of bracket. Couldn't tell you about the wiring loom though. Also, if they're anything like the Golf clocks, you'll need to either change the fuel tank sender or mod the fuel gauge on the clocks...
 
hi penbryn
I have a 2003 T4 van with an AJT engine code - its a model called 888 Special that I'm doing up at present
I've seen some T4's (german multivan at least) that show the L/km mpg data in the lower half of the rectangular window under the warning lights - is this the MFA?
Is it a case that this display feature could be enabled by retrofitting the correct MFA stalk and/or by throwing some "on" switch in the ecu or is it normally just that if its not there its not there? I understand from your chart that there could be several variants but I want to avoid pulling the dash apart if possible to get the p/n
thanks
 
Hello and greetings from Estonia.
My first post and sharing my experience, so excuse my bad english and feel free to correct me ;)

I have T4 2000 2,5TDI Ambulance, manual gearbox. Original clock is 803B, just standard clock for CANbus. As here we do not have damaged T4-s with MFA or FIS, i decided to try with Passat clocks.
I tried clocks from Passat B5 2000 1,9TDI, clock code end 820A and 822B.
These look same, both with MFA display, but 820 cannot calculate average consumption and display only ------- l/km. I suspect non-CAN dash.

So, I bought 822B from y2000 passat 1,9TDI Automat. Cost 50€ from local brickyard. Image at the end of letter.
Differences comparing to original (803B):

1. Front side and mountings are different. But seems like back side suites well to original T4 front without any modifications.
2. My T4 have automatic daylight and old dash backlight was always on. Backlight in new clock turns on only from Headlight switch. I think this is reprogrammable with VAG-Com.
3. New clock always talking about missing immo. Is it possible to turn off with VAG-Com?
4. New clock have airbag and screen wash fluid led always on - needs reprogramming?
5. Fuel gauge is little bit different. Old one show a little bit less than half. New one a little bitt less than 1/4.
6. No outer temp reading - probably missing outer temp sensos.
7. And most annoying - speedometer reading is lower and consumption reading seems a little bit high. Can I correct speedo multiplier with software?

All other led-s seems OK (glow plug, brake, handbrake etc). Also temp. gauge and tacho.
If I missed something, let me know.

So, tacho swap wiht CAN-bus Passat is possible, I think.
So I start digging how to correct disabilities.
Can somebody suggest cheap WORKING CANbus VAG-Com cable and software for my needs? I like to play with programmable devices :)
Also I need to make some home-made switches for MFA. I have regular wiper switch arm and with MFA this is very rare here.

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3. New clock always talking about missing immo. Is it possible to turn off with VAG-Com?
That's because the Passat has a more advanced immobilizer. In theory that should be programmable alright.

4. New clock have airbag and screen wash fluid led always on - needs reprogramming?
I asume your bus has no airbag, so yes, that's only a matter of coding to turn that off. The same is for the screen wash fluid led, but you could also just retrofit that sensor. It's handy to have.

5. Fuel gauge is little bit different. Old one show a little bit less than half. New one a little bitt less than 1/4.
The fuel gauge sender in the tank is different in the Passat from your T4. The only fix for this is also to replace the sender unit in the tank.

6. No outer temp reading - probably missing outer temp sensos.
The temperature sensor would sit in your front bumper, if you have one. It needs to be connected to the wiring loom in that case.

7. And most annoying - speedometer reading is lower and consumption reading seems a little bit high. Can I correct speedo multiplier with software?
Again, this can be adjusted with either VAG-Com or SuperVAG. Typical multiplier for a T4 is 2, for a Syncro T4 is 3.

Also I need to make some home-made switches for MFA. I have regular wiper switch arm and with MFA this is very rare here.
A wiper switch arm with MFA can be found on eBay. I only recently bought one for 60 EUR there.

/M
 
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And most annoying - speedometer reading is lower and consumption reading seems a little bit high. Can I correct speedo multiplier with software?
Again, this can be adjusted with either VAG-Com or SuperVAG. Typical multiplier for a T4 is 2, for a Syncro T4 is 3.


/M
No it can't I'm afraid - it can only be done with a piece of software which will enable you to edit the EEPROM (a genuine copy of VAG Commader or VAG Tacho). It is the scaling that is different not the number of impulses/km. You would need to record the indicated and true speeds and edit the look-up table for the speedo (if you can find it in the EEPROM map - Golf is relatively easy, Passat is completely different however as are other VAG vehicles).
 
No it can't I'm afraid - it can only be done with a piece of software which will enable you to edit the EEPROM (a genuine copy of VAG Commader or VAG Tacho). It is the scaling that is different not the number of impulses/km. You would need to record the indicated and true speeds and edit the look-up table for the speedo (if you can find it in the EEPROM map - Golf is relatively easy, Passat is completely different however as are other VAG vehicles).
That's if you need to custom change the VAG Tacho alright. But there are a bunch of multipliers, that can be changed just using VAG-Com. Not every cluster will take every multiplier though.

/M
 
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That's if you need to custom change the VAG Tacho alright. But there are a bunch of multipliers, that can be changed just using VAG-Com. Not every cluster will take every multiplier though.

/M
You are talking about impulses/km, which can be changed on most clusters but that still leaves the scaling incorrect and the speedo reading incorrectly. So, you changing impulses/km will only affect the distance measurement (odo) not the speedo scaling.
 
You are talking about impulses/km, which can be changed on most clusters but that still leaves the scaling incorrect and the speedo reading incorrectly. So, you changing impulses/km will only affect the distance measurement (odo) not the speedo scaling.
No. It actually also affects the speedo scaling. I've just changed from a FWD to a Syncro gearbox and the change from 2 to 3 on the scaling was necessary as the speedo was showing less than I actually was driving.

/M
 
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No. It actually also affects the speedo scaling. I've just changed from a FWD to a Syncro gearbox and the change from 2 to 3 on the scaling was necessary as the speedo was showing less than I actually was driving.

/M
Yes - on a T4 cluster. On a Passat/Golf/etc cluster it will not because the scaling is different
 
Hello and thank you for response.

I returned this speedo and made my exercise more complex. I like programming ang obtained Passat B5.5 TDI UK cluster with small MFA. Yes, one with silver rings, I discover that backplate of speedo is same. Only need to change front part and foils.
Code of new cluster is 3B0920927A. So, my first thougt is EEPROM change to 827A. Or even older soft from T4 7D0920822A.
Do you know, is 822A soft compatible with new cluster? T4 haven't immo in dials cluster. So i hope, soft swapping resolves annoying blinking immo sign and message on display.
There is another big difference - t4 have max 220km/h, Passat 260km/h. If I put t4 foils, maybe T4 soft solves this difference. This in not just small correction in speed, but, as penbryn marked, scaling.

Marlow, I do not need second immo, I already have T4 separate original still OK. Just message is annoying.

Also I notices that fuel gauge in passat B5.5 UK cluster is OK, older B5 showing 1 mark less. I think there is no difference in tank sender between T4 and passat. I know, Golf and T4 are different.

So i have some options now. Do i need just correct some parameters in new cluster or make complete soft change. And if complete change, must it be from my current T4 or German Passat 5.5?

And what software and cable I need?
Is it possible to correct scaling with cheap chinese VAG-COM 409.1 cable and or can it done with VAG TACHO 3.01? I do not have any cable or sw yet.


That's because the Passat has a more advanced immobilizer. In theory that should be programmable alright.
I asume your bus has no airbag, so yes, that's only a matter of coding to turn that off. The same is for the screen wash fluid led, but you could also just retrofit that sensor. It's handy to have.



The fuel gauge sender in the tank is different in the Passat from your T4. The only fix for this is also to replace the sender unit in the tank.
 
Hello,

found another difference between 822 (passat b5) and 927 (b5.5) cluster.
With 927 cluster T4 2000 cannot change display brightness. With 822 it was OK.

Maybe display brightness is driven by CAN on b5.5?
 
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Hello and thank you for response.

I returned this speedo and made my exercise more complex. I like programming ang obtained Passat B5.5 TDI UK cluster with small MFA. Yes, one with silver rings, I discover that backplate of speedo is same. Only need to change front part and foils.
Code of new cluster is 3B0920927A. So, my first thougt is EEPROM change to 827A.
Changing the foils will not sort the problem as the scaling is non-linear
You do not need to change the EEPROM dump to XXX 827A - a simple soft coding change in VAGCOM/VCDS will do this for you.

Or even older soft from T4 7D0920822A.
Do you know, is 822A soft compatible with new cluster? T4 haven't immo in dials cluster. So i hope, soft swapping resolves annoying blinking immo sign and message on display.
Doesn't work like that I'm afraid. You can't put T4 cluster dumps in a Passat cluster - the hardware is different and you will turn the cluster into a brick if you try to do this. The only way to solve the flashing immo indicator is to either 1) dissassemble the cluster and remove the LED, or 2) get a passat wiring harness fit a key reader coil, and valid RFID device so that the cluster is happy. I usually do 1, however some half and full FIS cluster will still display an immo fault message on screen.

There is another big difference - t4 have max 220km/h, Passat 260km/h. If I put t4 foils, maybe T4 soft solves this difference. This in not just small correction in speed, but, as penbryn marked, scaling.
Correct, however putting 220kmh foils will not solve this as the scaling is non-linear in software so it will always be incorrect

Also I notices that fuel gauge in passat B5.5 UK cluster is OK, older B5 showing 1 mark less. I think there is no difference in tank sender between T4 and passat. I know, Golf and T4 are different.
Not so, I'm afraid, Passat sender is in fact different and the gauge will not read correctly in T4 (unless it is the older B4 Passat cluster).

So i have some options now. Do i need just correct some parameters in new cluster or make complete soft change. And if complete change, must it be from my current T4 or German Passat 5.5?
You will need to do both - do a soft-coding change and edit the EEPROM. You don't need to change the dump - just edit it and as I said previously you cannot use a T4 dump. Also if your cluster is manufactured by Bosch-Motometer, it will not allow you to change the EEPROM easily, better to get a VDO.

And what software and cable I need?
Is it possible to correct scaling with cheap chinese VAG-COM 409.1 cable and or can it done with VAG TACHO 3.01? I do not have any cable or sw yet.
As I have said previously, you cannot edit the EEPROM with VAGCOM, you must use a FULL LICENCED version of VAG Tacho, or VAG Commander. A clone copy is no good and will quickly turn the cluster into a paperweight/brick/useless. I have a few clusters here which are like that :eek:
 
HI i am from belgium i have a t4 and i try to instal a blue cluster on my 96 2400cc diesel 5 cylindres,i find one in uk in miles number 7DO920 900 B i think is the right one is non can bus so everything work exept the rev conter still fix at 5000 rpm when i turn on,the oil warning light and the brake warning still lightning what is the problem???? if you can help me!!!H:
:confused::D:cool::*:*
 
Hi guys....

Right then not being the brightest button on the tank top, I have read all the posts and find my self very confused..I have a 1998 1.9TD and wish the change /update my Instrument cluster...

So I have bought a set of blue clocks, Pt no. 7D0 920 901G which according to the sheet should suit my engine (ABL) non Can based???
I also have the later Binical/shroud..
After removing my clocks have found its not plug and play..and reading up a little more and getting more confused (ask the wife) i need to get a wiring harness as well??

So in a round about sort of way it looks like I can get a Golf harness from the scrap yard which should be o.k??? or will it have to be a T4 harness???

Before I go spending any more money can anyone tell me if I have the right clocks, which harness I need, when they can come sort for me, and whats the meaning of life??? :*
 
Yes a harness from a golf will work but may require some minor modification. most things should be ok though
Cool also driving my van over the weekend we have noticed that the speedo is about 5-10 mph over what we are actually doing? so my speedo was reading 70, the citron with its digital speedo in the next lane was sayin 64??

Can this be sorted or does the speedo need calibrating???

This is on my original clocks too...also surely if im going faster that i actually am, the mileage is clocking up faster too.... so my actually mileage may be a lot lower????
 
Hi, I have a 1999 T4 2.0 petrol with "blue" clocks, and I want to change the clocks. Ive been looking at getting Mk4 golf gti clocks. Now apart from swapping the surround and tank sender, will they go straight in? Or even Audi A3 clocks as they look about the same shape and size?? Do i need to do any thing with the immobiliser? Cheers
 
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